OHHHH, he thinks AMERICANS are the rudest? Now THAT is funny!<br><br>Seriously, though, we are hated not for our rudeness, but for our success. People hate a winner. Again, this isn't saying America is perfect; in some respects we are much worse than Sodom and Gomorrah. But there is, still, some semblance (however tiny) of dignity in the good ol' USA.<br><br>Steve<br>
[color:red]Should Canadians be SURPRISED that people don't serve them? No, they should not. It is human nature to hold it against the Canadians. But those of us who are Christian are supposed to be above mere human nature, right?</font color=red><br><br>I see no where where Tom's post even mentioned the Christianity of the shop owner? Thus, what we are left with is human nature, as you stated, and one MUST plan for that contingency!! Apparently, Tom's family did not and suffered the consequences. As I said, buy a bumper sticker, but one MUST wonder why they have not done so and from Tom's other posts it is evident why!!! Tom, do you have a bumper sticker on your vehicle that you could post for us?<br><br>[color:red]We live in a country where people are innocent until proven guilty.</font color=red><br><br>And sometimes the guilty when proven thus, remain free (at least for the time being)--O.J.
Oh no, I'm not saying the shop owner is Christian! But what I am saying is that as Christians, WE should be ashamed of those acting in an un-Christian fashion...even if they are American.<br><br>That being said, Joe, I do wholeheartedly agree with your assessment that Canadians who are FOR the war would be better served getting a bumper sticker, or at least verbally stating so. However, maybe they then wouldn't get served in Canada? [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/drop.gif" alt="drop" title="drop[/img] Perhaps they could then cover up the bumper sticker upon returning home with a big "Toronto Maple Leafs" sticker, or the like! [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/laugh.gif" alt="laugh" title="laugh[/img]<br><br>Steve C
[color:red]I do wholeheartedly agree with your assessment that Canadians who are FOR the war would be better served getting a bumper sticker, or at least verbally stating so. However, maybe they then wouldn't get served in Canada? </font color=red><br><br>James Bond had a flipping tag on his vehicle and today we have magnetic stickers! [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/rofl.gif" alt="rofl" title="rofl[/img]<br><br>[color:red]Oh no, I'm not saying the shop owner is Christian! But what I am saying is that as Christians, WE should be ashamed of those acting in an un-Christian fashion...even if they are American.</font color=red><br><br>Well, I expect a non-Christian to act according to his sin nature and thus though I would disagree with him not serving "anyone" (I even offered Tom a tank of gas if he visited Georgia--of course I am moving soon so he better hurry [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/laugh.gif" alt="laugh" title="laugh[/img]) I would not be ashamed of them--maybe I am just playing semantics here--but, I would expect him to act as such..... I do not expect non-Christians to have Christian values....sometimes I do not even expect so-called Christians to have Christian values--know what I mean Vern?<br>
It is absolutely amazing how far the Coalition troops have gone to try to avoid civilian casualties. I am sure that there are soldiers who died because they hesitated in shooting what appeared to be a civilian, when in fact it was an Iraqi soldier posing as a civilian, taking advantage of this policy. Has there ever been anything like this take place in any war in human history, where soldiers avoided attacking the enemy or even defending themselves by returning fire when attacked by the enemy because the "looked like" civilians, were in a civilian building, hid in the confines of a religious structure, etc.?
Anyway.... those who you mention, "the protesters are all upset about the death and destruction happening over there" who say nothing about the murder of millions of unborn infants also took no interest or action against Saddam Hussein when he killed over 1/2 MILLION Iraqi men, women and children. Where were these "concerned" citizens when this was going on? Why didn't they protest that slaughter of "innocents"? I failed to see them protesting the genocide of 3 MILLION+ Africans during the tribal wars, etc. These same protesters must really hate God for sending Israel into Canaan to totally annihilate entire populations. (No, I am not equating the U.S. with Israel!! [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/laugh.gif" alt="laugh" title="laugh[/img] ) I am speaking about the alleged principle upon which these protesters claim to stand on, e.g., that the war is an evil thing because it kills "innocent" people. It would seem that the "right" thing to do is to ignore anything that is happening in the world, UNLESS, it is happening to you personally. It's the old "Ostrich's head in the sand" mentality which is fostered by a total denial of the biblical doctrine of Total Depravity. They have adopted the world's godless philosophy, which interestingly enough has also been adopted by some quasi-Christian groups, e.g., Campus Crusade for Christ, et al, that believes that there is "good" in every person. All you need to do is "educate" them, given them enough "money", change their "environment", show them lots of "love", and such things. What we have today is a world full of people who are trying to create B.F. Skinner's Waldon Two. And thus the perfect solution to everything and anything is Behaviour Modification.
Steve,<br>We could start a new thread over the things that we need to change, which of course has nothing to do with what is right.<br><br>I don't hate any country/people, but I do get very confused when professing Christians use their "Right to Free Speech" as an excuse for us accepting their view on this war. As Christians we have been given the liberty to do what is right not what we want.
Pilgrim,<br>I think you hit it on the head exactly with your "rant" on denial of Total Depravity, that there is some good in everybody. Sadly, as we move further and further away from our marginally Christian society, we should expect this to be the case. <br><br>To your comment on BF Skinner, I would also like to throw in (ideally I would throw him out) good ol' John Dewey. <br><br>Steve
"Well, I expect a non-Christian to act according to his sin nature and thus though I would disagree with him not serving "anyone" (I even offered Tom a tank of gas if he visited Georgia--of course I am moving soon so he better hurry ) I would not be ashamed of them--maybe I am just playing semantics here--but, I would expect him to act as such..... I do not expect non-Christians to have Christian values....sometimes I do not even expect so-called Christians to have Christian values--know what I mean Vern?"<br><br>Agreed. I think we may be playing semantics, so to speak :)<br>My point is that God is never surprised by anything or anyone, but He is often angry with them and their actions. So too am I not surprised by the actions of depraved (and that includes Christians), but I am also angry and ashamed.<br><br>Steve C<br>
As Christians we have been given the liberty to do what is right not what we want. <br>Amen - "what is right" is what God has told us through His Scripture is right.<br><br>Steve
You aren't going to get an argument from me. But one of the arguments someone who is anti-war would counter with is that by going to war we are making American women (and men) widows and American children fatherless (and motherless).<br><br>Steve
this is exactly the thoughts of my grown children...........thanks for the comment. My pastor saw a car the other day that says it all:<br><br>on one side of the bumper:<br><br>"save the whales"<br><br>on the other side:<br><br>"I am pro-choice(translated pro-abortion)
Steve,<br>Are you playing devils advocate? Do you really have a conviction about this liberation or is it just a preference?<br><br>When I home schooled years ago...........many years before it was "cool" that was the questions everyone had to ask themselves. We had to move many times and had the government chasing us, and in fact is the reason we moved to Tennessee. We decided we weren't leaving here, and helped draft the laws that make Tennessee one of the easiest states to home school in. I would never have fought for the other side. <br><br>You may just be making conversation but I do wonder where you really stand. I don't care what any one thinks about what I believe. I don't mean that arrogantly, but rather, believe in my heart that this too is the Divine Providence of God and pray that this will open up that country so the Christians that are there will also be free to worship as we do.<br><br>Linda
OK, I'm off topic, but I couldn't resist furthering Linda's great observation here!<br><br>Interestingly enough, when I was an atheist, I was still anti-abortion. I guess all that Roman Catholic upbringing did me some "good"!<br>One day I was in a discussion with an environmentalist. She was talking about just how evil it was to destroy bird's eggs, and how great it was that it was illegal to destroy the eggs of an eagle.<br>I said, that is great, and then you are obviously pro-life! She looked stunned, and said, no, of course she was in favor of a woman's right to choose. In my typical graceful style (sarcasm intended), I countered by asking her why it was wrong to destroy an eagle egg, but OK to destroy a human life. She said, without blinking, "Because humans aren't endangered". I finally said, "But each child that is murdered is an individual, and thus, in a sense, IS endangered"<br>You see, in her wicked mind, a human soul was equivalent to a bird. The reason it was OK to kill a human and not an eagle is because of the arbitrary definition of endangered. <br><br>Steve
Just so everyone knows, I never in anyway insinuated either privately or publicly that America is a terrible place. In fact I said on more than one occasion that I have many American friends and that I love to travel in both the U.S and Canada.<br>If I thought the way Linda said that I did about America, I would not travel in the U.S. at all.<br><br>This particular thread, was intended for information purposes only and on reflection I wish I never started it.<br><br>Tom
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Anyway.... those who you mention, "the protesters are all upset about the death and destruction happening over there" who say nothing about the murder of millions of unborn infants also took no interest or action against Saddam Hussein when he killed over 1/2 MILLION Iraqi men, women and children. Where were these "concerned" citizens when this was going on? Why didn't they protest that slaughter of "innocents"? I failed to see them protesting the genocide of 3 MILLION+ Africans during the tribal wars, etc. These same protesters must really hate God for sending Israel into Canaan to totally annihilate entire populations. (No, I am not equating the U.S. with Israel!! [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/laugh.gif" alt="laugh" title="laugh[/img] ) I am speaking about the alleged ![[Linked Image]](http://www.the-highway.com/Smileys/rantoff.gif)
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