averagefellar said: Pure eisegesis. Those passages do not say what you place into them. I couldn't find one commentary that even covered this method or belief or interpretation. The dilemma of reading modern events into prophecy can have some very disastrous effects. The predictions of various groups have failed many. Could you point to something in historical Christianity supporting this interpretation? What scholars brought this forward?
William,
What I have documented here are Agendas that are in the works and what will be occurring. Whether or not I've answered your questions fully... The US will be enforcing the Noahide Laws, Christians are considered idolators, and they will be beheaded, by Talmudic decree. There will be a One World State of Judaism.
You can pursue if you wish, saying that you can't see this in the Bible... and I would ask that you tell it to the President. I'm not sure if he is a Bible scholar or not.
Well, I guess it will either be the Jews, or the Muslims, or that "black pope" who will cut off our heads. I just wonder here, what do you think will happen if christians are "informed" of all this conspiracy? Do you think it would change God's plan? Do you think somehow we could change it?
I know I sound short here, and I really don't' want you to feel unwelcome, I'm just saying that whatever will happen will happen. We will be Christians in good or bad times. The church really does grow though in bad times/persecution no?
Whether it's the illuminati, the masons, the pope along with his brigade of killer jesuit preists, the muslims or the Jews.. who cares. I'm not going to live out the rest of my life here on earth paranoid. Nothing is slipping by God. I would rather be informed of God's word, not looking under every rock for the next conspiracy.
True godliness is a sincere feeling which loves God as Father as much as it fears and reverences Him as Lord, embraces His righteousness, and dreads offending Him worse than death~ Calvin
Kathy, After looking over much of what you posted (I concur with Big P. that it is a tad boring), I am still convinced that Islam is a much graver threat to Christianity than some weird cult based around seven supposed Noahidic laws. How many of these Noahide folks have cut the heads off innocent people or bombed mothers and their children at a pizza place, or have threatened to extinguish all Christianity from the face of the planet by violent force?
Fred
"Ah, sitting - the great leveler of men. From the mightest of pharaohs to the lowest of peasants, who doesn't enjoy a good sit?" M. Burns
MHeath said: Well, I guess it will either be the Jews, or the Muslims, or that "black pope" who will cut off our heads. I just wonder here, what do you think will happen if christians are "informed" of all this conspiracy? Do you think it would change God's plan? Do you think somehow we could change it?
I know I sound short here, and I really don't' want you to feel unwelcome, I'm just saying that whatever will happen will happen. We will be Christians in good or bad times. The church really does grow though in bad times/persecution no?
Whether it's the illuminati, the masons, the pope along with his brigade of killer jesuit preists, the muslims or the Jews.. who cares. I'm not going to live out the rest of my life here on earth paranoid. Nothing is slipping by God. I would rather be informed of God's word, not looking under every rock for the next conspiracy.
GREAT reply, Michelle. Praise the Lord! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/ClapHands.gif" alt="" />
But you are missing their point, those who DON'T have a place in the World to Come do not go to Hell, because they do not teach a Hell. In other words you either are in the World to Come or you are not. Christians teach you go to Heaven or Hell. Thus there is a significant difference.
As to your comment whether or not this is a Christian site, of course it is. I thought it fair to represent Jewish thought in an accurate format. That's all <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
OK, is this why Lubavitchers are NOT involved in Politics? I provided this info to a Lubavitcher friend of mine (a Rabbi) and he is deeply concerned.
Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg has been formally disciplined for his ridiculous comments...and do not forget they were directed toward Arabs. This is like saying Jerry Falwell is representative of all Christians.
I think the President has much more to be concerned about than the 7 Noahide Laws. I think in general the 7 Noahide Laws are a fair representation of morality. I doubt you will hear much more about this....ever. Like all other prophecies, if you want to "find" fulfillment in something, you can.
TO those who are not aware, dialectics simplisticly deals with a thesis, antithesis, and then a synthesis. The synthesis need not be "common ground", but it may be.
Isn’t the question --- SHOULD there be a question IF Americans, (including Christians) are in obedience of any prohibition of personal belief:
The First Amendment ??? Something about Congress making no law prohibiting free speech and religious belief.
When did Congress pass a law to ENFORCE the Seven Laws of Noah? They haven't, and they will never. Why will they never? Because Congress is become MORE SECULAR, not MORE RELIGIOUS.
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“FURTHERMORE, MANY OF THE JEWS' MOST REVERED SAGES CONSIDERED CHRISTIANS TO BE IN BASIC OBEDIENCE TO THE PROHIBITION AGAINST IDOLATRY. “ Kyle said
That's right, and I stand by my statement, having personally corresponded with actual Orthodox Jews on the issue previously. The sage Maimonides (Rambam), for example, taught that both Christianity and Islam are preparing the way for the reign of the Messiah. That said, it does not mean there is unity within Judaism on the topic. Anyone who takes a look at the Talmud will find a variety of different opinions on the laws discussed therein.
And furthermore, the Noahide movement is so SMALL it exerts little influence outside of Judaism, and as I said before, most Gentiles don't stop at the Noahide laws but become full Jews, since it's more meritorious and brings one closer to God to become a Jew. The U.S. government has simply recognized the Noahide movement as a religion, the expression of which is thus protected by constitutional law.
You are simply falling prey to conspiracy theory propoganda.
Kyle
I tell you, this man went down to his house justified.
Dear Kathy: Just as a reference, no need to respond. The Talmud cannot be understood by studying quotes from websites. Rabbis study this corpus of work for many, many years. You must understand the difference between Gemara and Mishna. How midrash, sod, remez and p’shat interpretation work. You can’t just grab an anti Christian statement out of the flow of a talmudic discussion and arrive at a conclusion. Most likely the conclusion you arrive at will be wrong. You must examine the entire argument to understand the points and why any one statement is being made. I’m not suggesting anyone hold to the authority or even all the teaching of the talmudic sages but at least as intelligent individuals lets speak accurately about the subject matter. The Talmud is a vast compilation of the Oral Law with rabbinical elucidations, elaborations, and commentaries, in contradistinction to the Scriptures or Written Laws. The Talmud is the accepted authority for Orthodox Jews not all Jews. The Noahide movement is a moral movement that for the most part is misrepresented on those sites that were listed. I wish you the best. This is not meant to offend anyone. Just to point out a misunderstanding of Talmud. Thanks Bug
