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#30976 Tue Jan 31, 2006 11:27 AM
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This subject perked my interest in study this past Sunday. WHile discussing Mark 1, where Christ commanded the unclean spirits to leave the man and they immediately did. I asked the question, "Why does Satan and his legions obey better than believers? In every account in scripture it is the same result. Christ speaks, they immediately recognize who HE is, and obey. Man hears Him, sees His general revelation, yet does not fear Him or obey Him.

What ye think of this?


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Joe k,

I think others here can put a better mark on this but here is my two cents by quoting a single Scripture verse from Job 1:12.

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Then the Lord said to Satan, "Behold all that he has is in your power, only do not put forth your hand (Mark?) on him". So Satan departed from the presence of the Lord.

Who is really in charge in our world? Even demons know better than most men.
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I find this account striking.

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John 13:18-30

18 "I do not speak concerning all of you. I know whom I have chosen; but that the Scripture may be fulfilled, 'He who eats bread with Me has lifted up his heel against Me.' 19 Now I tell you before it comes, that when it does come to pass, you may believe that I am He. 20 Most assuredly, I say to you, he who receives whomever I send receives Me; and he who receives Me receives Him who sent Me."

21 When Jesus had said these things, He was troubled in spirit, and testified and said, "Most assuredly, I say to you, one of you will betray Me." 22 Then the disciples looked at one another, perplexed about whom He spoke.

23 Now there was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of His disciples, whom Jesus loved. 24 Simon Peter therefore motioned to him to ask who it was of whom He spoke.

25 Then, leaning back on Jesus' breast, he said to Him, "Lord, who is it?"

26 Jesus answered, "It is he to whom I shall give a piece of bread when I have dipped it." And having dipped the bread, He gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon. 27 Now after the piece of bread, <span style="background-color:#FFFF00">Satan entered him</span>. Then Jesus said to him, <span style="background-color:#FFFF00">"What you do, do quickly."</span> 28 But no one at the table knew for what reason He said this to him. 29 For some thought, because Judas had the money box, that Jesus had said to him, "Buy those things we need for the feast," or that he should give something to the poor.

30 Having received the piece of bread, he then went out immediately. And it was night.

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This subject perked my interest in study this past Sunday. WHile discussing Mark 1, where Christ commanded the unclean spirits to leave the man and they immediately did. I asked the question, "Why does Satan and his legions obey better than believers? In every account in scripture it is the same result. Christ speaks, they immediately recognize who HE is, and obey. Man hears Him, sees His general revelation, yet does not fear Him or obey Him.

What ye think of this?
Kingdoms, whether secular or divine, have Lords. The LORD of this (and every Kingdom) is Christ (Acts 10:36; i.e. King of kings and LORD of Lords). Christ's Kingdom defeated the kingdom of Satan ........ Christ is LORD--He rules ......

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Colossians 1:16-18 for in him were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and unto him;

17 and he is before all things, and in him all things consist.

18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

Ephesians 1:20-22 which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and made him to sit at his right hand in the heavenly places,

21 far above all rule, and authority, and power, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:

22 and he put all things in subjection under his feet, and gave him to be head over all things to the church,

Colossians 2:10 and in him ye are made full, who is the head of all principality and power:
It is not that the spirits may obey—they must obey! It is not that demons obey better for they obey against what they would rather do.. to ravage the elect and the creation ..... Demons obey because they have been defeated (as a prisoner obeys his captors) ....., not because they obey better. Remember Jesus said that His Kingdom has come (the now, but not yet)--it is a conquering kingdom (Matt 4:17, 10:7, 16:19; Mark 9:1; Luke 4:37-44, 9:27; Acts 1:3, 19:8, 1 Cor 4:20, etc).

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Philippians 2:9-11 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

1 Peter 3:22 who is one the right hand of God, having gone into heaven; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.
Unlike demons, God empowers those that are His to obey from a changed heart and not merely because they have been conquered by Him. There is a difference between a bond-servant (Exodus 21:1-6; Deuteronomy 15:12-17; Romans 1:1, etc.) and a mere reprobate slave (prisoner). Occasionally, we disobey, God chastens, hopefully we learn (or we are chastened again ...) and change is made in a willing heart (made willing by God's glorious grace). Christians grow through their disobedience, demons are eternally condemned for theirs.


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Thanks Joe. Good thoughts. I will add that I also believe it has something to do with the fact that satan and his minions have access to the throne of God..ie Job. We see dimly, but they know exactly what is commanded.


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