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Members of an Alabama church which was flooded by Hurricane Katrina claim that a mark in the drywall is an image of the crucified Christ. Full story here: http://www.wltx.com/fyi/fyi.aspx?storyid=36295

This is what happens when you stop believing the Gospel and put your faith in idols that cannot see, hear, or speak.


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Did you notice the Pastor was a woman?


Trust the past to God's mercy, the present to God's love and the future to God's providence." - St. Augustine
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Did you notice the Pastor was a woman?

Yes, I did and that brings this to mind.

A few weeks ago I noticed a Jean Larroux in the bulletin listed as the morning's guest preacher. My first reaction was 'wow' until I figured out is was a french name. He is planting a new church in Bay St Louis.

But, I don't know of a guy named Elsa. I think in the coming years where so many parents are naming their children with a typical last name will be really confusing.


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Did you notice the Pastor was a woman?

Misogynist! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/bash.gif" alt="" />


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Kyle,

I could use some healing... maybe I should go down there and touch that wall. [Linked Image]

I noticed another link on the page you referenced which shows a picture of Jesus on an Easter Egg.


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How well I know! - The funniest thing is, my wife's name is also Robin!

She never liked it and always used her middle name - I didn't know we shared the same name 'til years after we started courting. Where I come from it is considered a masculine name, but when my family moved to Florida, I went to school with at least a dozen girls named Robin. Alot depends on where you live.

Seriously on the story, though: In the ExCharisma forum I have put forth the theory for years now that the charismatic movement would become one of the means by which Rome might "recapture" much of Protestantism. I can see more and more stunning similarities between them that would probably alarm alot of charismatics if they could see it the same way.

And just like before the Reformation of 400 years ago, the truth of God's word and the purity of the gospel is being obscured behind superstition and corruption. The cure today is the same as it was back then: Recovering and embracing the awesome doctrines of sovereign grace!

-Robin Christopher (who doesn't mind Pooh jokes)

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Those dreaded bibliophiles who believe the Bible over Jesus.

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And just like before the Reformation of 400 years ago, the truth of God's word and the purity of the gospel is being obscured behind superstition and corruption. The cure today is the same as it was back then: Recovering and embracing the awesome doctrines of sovereign grace!

Amen! But I don't know if you are aware, but there are many who hold to the doctrines of grace, who are also Charismatic.

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And just like before the Reformation of 400 years ago, the truth of God's word and the purity of the gospel is being obscured behind superstition and corruption. The cure today is the same as it was back then: Recovering and embracing the awesome doctrines of sovereign grace!

Amen! But I don't know if you are aware, but there are many who hold to the doctrines of grace, who are also Charismatic.

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What is your definition of a Reformed Charismatic? What do they "claim" to believe?


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While should people with the way some churches use it less and less.

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When I say "Reformed Charismatic", I am referring to people who embrace the doctrines of grace, but believe to one degree or another that gifts like tongues etc... are still around today.
Most of these people are not charismatic to the extent that many are in the Charismatic movement.
I believe a few examples of these are D Martyn Lloyd-Jones and John Piper.
Would you consider people like D Martyn Lloyd-Jones and Piper to be Reformed?
Some don’t consider me reformed, since I am a Baptist and embrace most of what is written in the LBCF of 1689, rather than the WCF.

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I have known such people who claim to believe in sovereign grace while practicing charismatic neo-gnosticism as charismatics. The term "Reformed charismatic" is an oxymoron, since charismatics must of necessity refuse the first of the great Solas of the Reformation - Sola Scriptura!

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Do you believe in order for one to be Reformed (truly Reformed) that they must believe in the 5 solas? If yes, then how do you explain Sola Scriptura with the Charismatic belief of continued revelation; i.e. tongues and interpretation?

PS: Martyn Lloyd-Jones taught the Baptism of the Holy Spirit as a distinct experience to conversion, but according to Murray and several that knew him (one which I just spoke with the other day that is friends with his son) they state that he did not speak in tongues...

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I was against Pentecostalism and still am. My doctrine of the baptism of the Spirit is that it gives full assurance. I have never been satisfied with any speaking in tongues that I have heard. (…) It is very unfair to put the label Pentecostal on me

Lloyd-Jones, Martin, Prove All Things, Banner of Truth Trust.
Thus, according to your definition here of "Reformed Charismatic," (When I say "Reformed Charismatic", I am referring to people who embrace the doctrines of grace, but believe to one degree or another that gifts like tongues etc... are still around today.) I must answer, "NO." However, I am familiar with several that do consider him Charismatic and depending on one's definition of the term ... or a given context, then ... it depends on what your definition of Reformed is ... Thus, the reason for my post asking you to define your terms more exactly ...


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