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#36001 Fri Apr 06, 2007 11:15 PM
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You do realize that Jonathan Edwards sermon "Sinners in the Hand of an Angry God" was delivered to a people who were believing and doing exactly the type of things you currently believe and do. It might be prudent for you to read it again with a personal emphasis.

That's interesting. Who would have thought that over 200 years ago, Edwards' congregation was watching television and having their birthdates translated into astrological nonsense by blogging software? Your insight into the history of Christendom is most profound. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/surrender.gif" alt="" />


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The internet however is active, and I determine exactly what the next scene will be. I decide the information I receive, and I also am able to respond to the same information.

The interenet is not passive? Really? What about the porno spam that comes in my mailbox (and I refer to the titles of many of them, which I see even if I don't open the message)? Or accidentally clicking on a wrong link? Yahoo runs some ads too that make want to throw some clothes on people.

Also, on a TV you can always change the channel or mute the sound or look away. I really don't see much difference than being on the Internet.

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It only costs me $6.00 per month to not have any problems like this. That and you should be more wary of the sites you register your e-mail on, and make a temporary one at that. With the above practices, I have gotten exactly 0 unsolicited e-mail at my home.
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The interenet is not passive? Really? What about the porno spam that comes in my mailbox (and I refer to the titles of many of them, which I see even if I don't open the message)?

After the first time somebody does this, they should have enough sense not to do it again.
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Or accidentally clicking on a wrong link?


Change your home page, run minimized screens when opening links etc.
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Yahoo runs some ads too that make want to throw some clothes on people.

Turn off your TV.

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That's interesting. Who would have thought that over 200 years ago, Edwards' congregation was watching television and having their birthdates translated into astrological nonsense by blogging software? Your insight into the history of Christendom is most profound.

I referred to the same TYPE of thing if you read it properly. 250 years ago the problem was theatre and playing cards, both claimed to be done out of ignorance. The theatre has been replaced by the TV, but the ignorance still abounds.

You call yourself a fighting Calvinist, and yet all the fighting I see you doing here is to hold on to or justify your sin. Calvin and Edwards would certainly not be amused, much less the Most High God.

Until I posted on this subject, everyone here could claim ignorance about the evils of TV, but now that some light at least has been shed on it, that can't be done. If after knowing this you still refuse to turn, as Edwards says "You join ranks with that group of people who knowingly rush into sin."

Or as the Bible says:
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Heb 10:26-27 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

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Okat BTB, let me see if I understand you correctly. TV is evil, right? Even though the entirety of television programming is NOT evil (and I can;t imagine you could disagree with that), there is enough evil mixed in that even watching something like a bible broadcast is sinful? And furthermore, anyone who disagrees with you on this is just justifying and defending their sin and headings traight to hell? Is that about right?

So, again, I ask you, where is your biblical warrant to take a personal issue that you have felt convicted about and make it normative for every single member of the body of Christ? For my part, there is much in scripture that gives the believer liberty in his choices as long as they are not in violation of a direct commandment of God and do not harm the conscience of a weaker brother (for example, 1 Cor 8:8-9). How do I sin by recording and watching "Grace to You" or the weather forecase?

It is good for you if you feel that your life is enriched by the absence of television. I am sure that there are many others out there that could benefit from the same decision, but you are way out of line to suggest that they very act of owning a TV or viewing a television program is a mark of an unregenerate person. It is a ridiculous leap from believing it is okay to watch certain things on TV, to getting drunk and watching the Superbowl and desecrating the Sabbath. YOu have absolutely no grounds on which to level that charge at ANYONE here that you do not know personally (and maybe not even then!).

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I referred to the same TYPE of thing if you read it properly.

I know what you wrote, I just couldn't resist ridiculing your ridiculous argument.

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You call yourself a fighting Calvinist, and yet all the fighting I see you doing here is to hold on to or justify your sin.

All I see you doing is promoting your rank legalism and straining at gnats. So far, not a single word of GRACE has come from your posts. You have instead tossed about baseless accusations of sin because some have said that television is not INHERENTLY evil. If I watch a biblical sermon on television, have I sinned? If I watch an educational program about desert animal life, have I sinned? No! But because you are a legalist, any contact with the television makes one unclean.

And, by the way, I've been posting to this board for nearly four years. What I've written in the past week isn't even the beginning of my corpus of posts on this board, and you'll see I don't spend much time defending the watching of television.

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Until I posted on this subject, everyone here could claim ignorance about the evils of TV, but now that some light at least has been shed on it, that can't be done.

You think much too highly of yourself. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/bash.gif" alt="" />


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It's a terrible thing to watch someone being swallowed up by "works" promoted by the subtle voice of the "serpent" as he did Eve in the Garden. "Pharisaism" as this error was called since the days of those who bore that esteemed name in Jesus' day always seeks to strain a gnat but ends up swallowing a camel, putting upon the shoulders of others a burden which even themselves are unable to bear. (Matt 23:4, 23, 27; Jam 2:10) [Linked Image]

The Apostle Paul was no stranger to such teachings as he often had to do battle with antagonists who entered into the churches and caused strife among the brethren. One of his more salient arguments, perhaps even more so than his letter to the Galatians is found in his letter to Colossae where he wrote:

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Colossians 2:16-23 (ASV) "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of a feast day or a new moon or a sabbath day: which are a shadow of the things to come; but the body is Christ's. Let no man rob you of your prize by a voluntary humility and worshipping of the angels, dwelling in the things which he hath seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, and not holding fast the Head, from whom all the body, being supplied and knit together through the joints and bands, increasing with the increase of God. If ye died with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, do ye subject yourselves to ordinances, Handle not, nor taste, nor touch (all which things are to perish with the using), after the precepts and doctrines of men? Which things have indeed a show of wisdom in will-worship, and humility, and severity to the body; [but are] not of any value against the indulgence of the flesh."
John Calvin, who has been mentioned also opposed this tendency to Pharisaism and based upon sound biblical teaching he wrote:

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'The third part of this liberty is that we are not bound before God to any observance of external things which are in themselves indifferent, ('adiafora') but that we are now at full liberty either to use or omit them. The knowledge of this liberty is very necessary to us; where it is wanting our consciences will have no rest, there will be no end of superstition. In the present day many think us absurd in raising a question as to the free eating of flesh, the free use of dress and holidays, and similar frivolous trifles, as they think them; but they are of more importance than is commonly supposed. For when once the conscience is entangled in the net, it enters a long and inextricable labyrinth, from which it is afterwards most difficult to escape. When a man begins to doubt whether it is lawful for him to use linen for sheets, shirts, napkins, and handkerchiefs, he will not long be secure as to hemp, and will at last have doubts as to tow; for he will revolve in his mind whether he cannot sup without napkins, or dispense with handkerchiefs. Should he deem a daintier food unlawful, he will afterwards feel uneasy for using loafbread and common eatables, because he will think that his body might possibly be supported on a still meaner food. If he hesitates as to a more genial wine, he will scarcely drink the worst with a good conscience; at last he will not dare to touch water if more than usually sweet and pure. In fine, he will come to this, that he will deem it criminal to trample on a straw lying in his way. For it is no trivial dispute that is here commenced, the point in debate being, whether the use of this thing or that is in accordance with the divine will, which ought to take precedence of all our acts and counsels. Here some must by despair be hurried into an abyss, while others, despising God and casting off his fear, will not be able to make a way for themselves without ruin. When men are involved in such doubts whatever be the direction in which they turn, every thing they see must offend their conscience.' (BOOK III CHAPTER 19 SECTION 7)
I say, in agreement with the Lord Christ, the Apostle Paul, Calvin and a host of myriad others, "Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees . . . but stand fast in the freedom in which Christ has set us free!"

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I know we are on the topic of tv but , isn't our computers also more evil than tv?
Just an observation from me.


But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Hello everyone,

I just now took a look at this thread. I thought about posting a response to some of the malicious slander, but then I wondered, which verse should I apply to this discussion -- Proverbs 26:5 or 26:4? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/shrug.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/scratch1.gif" alt="" /> I ask because of Proverbs 10:18.

Also, By the Blood, here are a few good passages to reread while you're not watching TV: <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/read.gif" alt="" />

James 4:11-12
Ephesians 4:29-32
1 Peter 2:1
Matthew 15:18-20
Colossians 3:8
Titus 3:1-2
Proverbs 6:16,19

Also, here's a beautiful prayer by St. Ephraim the Syrian:

O Lord and Master of my life
take from me the spirit of sloth
faint-heartedness,
lust of power
and idle talk.
But give rather the spirit of chastity,
humility,
patience,
and love to thy servant.
Yea, O Lord and King
grant me to see my own errors
and not to judge my brother;
for Thou art blessed unto the ages of ages.
Amen.



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Brad,

The poem by St. Ephraim is more than loaded with truth and much worthy of contemplation. I noticed that you are using it often in your posts. I think maybe that you have it memorized? I have decided that I will memorize it also.

Now if someone wants to tell me that I'm off-thread (true), then I will take my rebuke like a man. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/argue.gif" alt="" />

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O Lord and Master of my life
take from me the spirit of sloth
faint-heartedness,
lust of power
and idle talk.
But give rather the spirit of chastity,
humility,
patience,
and love to thy servant.
Yea, O Lord and King
grant me to see my own errors
and not to judge my brother;
for Thou art blessed unto the ages of ages.
Amen.

Your Brother and in Him,

Denny

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How about a psalm by St. Denny of Washington State ?

Dear Pilgrim,
What an excellently crafted reply on page 1 of this thread. I am going to really, really, really enjoy reading all the articles that you have referenced to. Thanks so much.
As I read; this phrase came to mind. 'You can take the brother out of the hood, but dare say the greater challenge is to get the hood out of the brother.'

Here is the list of articles that were contained in Pilgrim's reply (from page 1)

True Christian Freedom, by Samuel Bolton
The Weak and the Strong, by Prof. John Murray
Liberty of Conscience, by Donald MacLeod
Freedom in Christ, by G.I. Williamson
Christian Liberty, by A.W. Pink



Sincerely,
Straw

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BTB,
Please take some time to consider what is written in Paul's letter to the Romans (chapter 1), with special attention to Romans chapter 2 verse 2 - 3 and Romans 2 : 16.

May He grant to you 'the spirit of grace and supplication',
Straw

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What is it Eric?

How in the world did you take offense to my post that was meant solely as a compliment and appreciation for St. Ephriam's prayer, that was presented to us by Brad? The "rebuke" I mentioned for going off-thread had absolutely nothing to do with you but the truth that I was clearly not commenting on the "Evils of TV".

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May He grant to you 'the spirit of grace and supplication'

I believe you should consider taking some of your own advice.

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Denny,
You have completely misunderstood my question. The second post was not addressed to you.

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-All,

1. 1 Corinthians 6:12 'All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.'

2. 1 Corinthians 10:23 'All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.'

It has been clear to me that those who SPY on our FREEDOM/LIBERTY in Christ, conclude that there are no spiritual principles that are foundational to this freedom/liberty in Christ and that if one talks of grace one is automatically saying this is a license to sin. Not discerning the Spirit of the Lord, they cannot understand that this liberty leads us both to walk in victory and in service to one another in Him.

Sincerely,
Straw

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