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The Grip of False Teaching [Re: Pilgrim] #36528
Sat Jul 14, 2007 6:41 AM
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I think this thread has been a very compelling demonstration of how captivating false doctrine can be! Even when confronted with irrefutable proof from God's own infallible word, those who love to have their ears tickled will not give it up - even if it leads straight to hell.

Evangelist, you asked the question, and then completely rejected every answer you received. Whatever led you to ask the question to begin with? Was it a sincere search for knowledge or were you simply picking a fight to defend your favorite ear-tickler?

And why, in any quest to know God better, would you reject His unchanging word to follow your own feelings?

Only a true addict refuses to give up his drug even when he knows it is sure to kill him. TBN is your drug, Evangelist. You take it not only to feel good, but to keep from feeling bad. And when confronted with the frightening prognosis of everlasting torment for those who follow these false teachers, you run back to your drug to feel better, knowing because you asked that it will destroy you.

You're not alone, though. Some of us have been there too. I was a 700 Club "phone counselor" and addicted to what we called "the anointing" for many years. I prophesied, laid hands on the sick (and saw some healed instantly), and cast demons away from people. I was well on my way to becoming the next TBN-style "evangelist," all by the age of seventeen. Were it not for an abusive situation at home that forced me to run away, I could have ended up among them. But it's hard for a homeless teenager to claim "the anointing" when it's obvious to every Charismatic that "God isn't blessing the boy - or he wouldn't be homeless now."

Those circumstances were the blessing of God! He was saving me from becoming another ear-tickling charlatan like those on TBN, believing their own lies and filling their own addiction to fame and following.

Besides: The Son of Man had no place to lay His head (Matthew 8:20) either, but that was no proof that God was against Him. But the TBN followers of today would have rejected Jesus because of His poverty just as the Jews rejected Him, putting Him to death. But praise God, that rejection was all part of a greater plan to purchase our salvation!

And my own rejection by fickle followers of "the anointing" was part of a larger plan to rescue me from becoming just like them.

Glorying in humiliation,
Robin

Re: It would help if you answered a simple questio [Re: evangelist] #36529
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Evangelist,

The simple question on the Subject Line was asked by me over 2 months ago, in early May:
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... are you willing to say that you are possibly among those who lack knowledge , or have a false understanding about the nature of the gospel of Jesus Christ, and if shown to be so from the clear and authoritative Word, are you open to correction in this matter?


and you quickly answered:

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Yes , because I have the fruits of the spirts, and I have a meek spirit, and long -suffering with patience.
Shalom


I fear that since you gave that answer you have here publicly demonstrated very little desire to be corrected by the Word of God applied by the Holy Spirit whose fruit you claim to bear. Instead, you have been constantly attempting to defend your own beliefs and those you support, as above, where you boast as if having "millions on his side" is a guarantee that one is speaking the truth. Satan has "millions on his side"--many are on the wide, easy road to destruction, many are following the sensuality of the false prophets who are bringing in destructive heresies, and because of them the way of truth is being blasphemed, and in their greed they are exploiting you with false words--what have you proven?

Are you going to demonstrate true meekness as you publicly vowed and listen to those who are patiently instructing you that you may be established in the truth? Most recently, Robin, under The Grip of False Teaching, is attempting yet again to reach you with the truth. Hear him!


In Christ,
Paul S
Re: It would help if you answered a simple questio [Re: jaf] #36530
Wed Sep 19, 2007 9:30 AM
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The people on the highway are sincerely trying to help you. The people on tbn are 1)trying to rob you of your money.For this is their "god". 2)they being of their father the devil seek to rob you of your very soul. It is indeed sad and tragic that you haven't been able to discern the truth. I have read all that you have posted and all that has been posted in an effort to help you. It appears that you do not have "ears to hear". The Scriptures instruct us to examine ourselves to see if we are in the faith. Please,I beseech you to take the counsel of those who've responded to your posts VERY SERIOUSLY. Pray that God would grant you wisdom and discernment. You have not because you ask not. jaf


How are they robbing me when I am freely giving andf supporting with prayers?
It is better to support TBM and the God channel than support these prono stations, hate tv and bad news of the media and etc.
they are broadcasting not for free it cost these minister millions of dollar to even be on the air, and that is because of our blessings.


But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
Re: It would help if you answered a simple questio [Re: Robin] #36531
Wed Sep 19, 2007 9:32 AM
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Perhaps we should just believe what we feeeel in spiiiirits, instead of being so intolerant and dogmatic. After all, I don't feeeeel as if God should judge "little lost lambs" so harshly just because their teachings utterly destroy those who hear and accept them. Predators need love too! Can't you feeeeeel that?

I've had enough of this absurdity.


It is not about a feeling it is about doing the will of God.
Go into to the highways and by ways and preach the gospel to every nation, and TBN is just a fruit of that.


But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
Re: It would help if you answered a simple questio [Re: evangelist] #36532
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I guess it is God's will to support heretics, because after all they are just preaching the gospel.
<img src="/forum/images/graemlins/dizzy.gif" alt="" />

One thing remains absolutely certain, either the gospel that TBN preaches is heretical, or the historical gospel that is preached from sites such as the Highway is heretical.
From your posts I would have to believe that you think the later is true.
Which makes me wonder why you still post here?
Are you trying to evangelize us? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/scratch1.gif" alt="" />

Tom

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Re: It would help if you answered a simple questio [Re: Tom] #36533
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I guess it is God's will to support heretics, because after all they are just preaching the gospel.
<img src="/forum/images/graemlins/dizzy.gif" alt="" />

One thing remains absolutely certain, either the gospel that TBN preaches is heretical, or the historical gospel that is preached from sites such as the Highway is heretical.
From your posts I would have to believe that you think the later is true.
Which makes me wonder why you still post here?
Are you trying to evangelize us? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/scratch1.gif" alt="" />

Tom


No, That is not my job here I let somebody else do that witness to you.
I just am giving my witness of what TBN is doing to this planet , and blessing this planet with the gospel.
I say this planet because it has obeyed better as óther christians and going into all the world which is doing, instead of us just witnessing in our own house only, and behind closed doors.
We need not be ashame of the gospel and go into the nations to witness Christ , and salvation.


But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
Re: It would help if you answered a simple questio [Re: evangelist] #36534
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Heretic or Hypocrite?

Which are you evangelist? Tom asked you if you were at The Highway to evangelize us? You answered “No, That is not my job here I let somebody else do that witness to you.” However, in the same post you condemn others and say “instead of us just witnessing in our own house only, and behind closed doors. We need not be ashamed of the gospel and go into the nations to witness Christ, and salvation.” A reasonable question for YOU is “Are YOU ashamed of the Gospel?”

In another place you state, “It is not about a feeling it is about doing the will of God. Go into to the highways and by ways and preach the gospel to every nation,” and yet here YOU state, “No, That is not my job here I let somebody else do that witness to you.” Thus, you seem rather hypocritical to say the least, but now let us turn the page to heretical.

Hypocritical Evangelist, you state that you believe TBN is doing the will of God. You believe they are spreading “the Gospel.” Does the Gospel include false prophets (Deut. 13:1-5; Gal. 1:8-9; 2 Pet. 2:1)?

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(1) Jesus is a communist (March 3, 2000, Paul Crouch).
(2) Benny Hinn made outrageous prophecies about TBN. One is rather funny, "People will be raised from the dead watching TBN!” One wonders how many TVs are in graves today?
(3) More on Benny Hinn, the poster child heretic of TBN:

GOD WILL DESTROY THE HOMOSEXUAL COMMUNITY (prophecy, 1989),

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The Lord also tells me to tell you, in mid 90s, about '94 or '95, no later than that, God will destroy the homosexual community of America. But He will not destroy it with what many minds have thought Him to be. He will destroy it with fire. And many will turn and be saved, and many will rebel and be destroyed.

TWO YEARS LEFT – The RAPURE (prophecy, 1990),

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Paul, I can say this -- Are you ready for this? We may have two years before the rapture. . . Can I be blunt with ya? I don't know if we have two years left. . . I'm gonna prove to you from the Word tonight, that we have less than two years.

FIDEL CASTRO WILL DIE IN THE 1990'S (prophecy, 1989),

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The Spirit tells me, Fidel Castro will die in the 90's. Oh my. Some will try to kill him and they will not succeed. But there will come a change in his physical health, and he will not stay in power. And Cuba will be visited of God. I will visit Cuba. Oh. Oh. Holy Spirit do you mean he'll die physically? What do you mean, Holy Spirit? Tell me please. My. Oh. Holy Spirit just said to me, it could be worse than any death you can imagine. There's some question in my spirit on what kind of death the Lord means. I'm not sure. I see him. Uh. I see Cas, I, I see Castro bent over behind bars. I don't know what that means.

Of course, there are other false prophets associated with “The best fraud one can buy,” excuse me TBN, such as: Kenneth Copeland, Marilyn Hickey, Rod Parsley, Jack Van Impe, Morris Cerrulo, Earl Paulk, Reinhard Bonnke, Tommy Tenney, Jesse Duplantis, Joyce Meyer, Mark Chironna, Juanita Bynum, Creflo Dollar and many others. Oh, and not forgetting the ‘rising star’ of the Word-Faith movement … Joel Osteen.

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Re: It would help if you answered a simple questio [Re: evangelist] #36535
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No, That is not my job here I let somebody else do that witness to you.
I just am giving my witness of what TBN is doing to this planet , and blessing this planet with the gospel.
I say this planet because it has obeyed better as óther christians and going into all the world which is doing, instead of us just witnessing in our own house only, and behind closed doors.
We need not be ashame of the gospel and go into the nations to witness Christ , and salvation.


J_Edwards did a great job at replying to you and about the only thing I would like to add to that is;
You seem to be accusing me/us of just witnessing in our own houses and not witnessing in the entire world.
I assume you believe that the Lord told you to say this, because you do not know me or others on this board.

I have to conclude this because you don't know us. But if you are wrong about us (which you are), it would make you a false prophet.
Some of the greatest evangelists this world has ever had were/are Reformed.

Tom

Re: It would help if you answered a simple questio [Re: Tom] #36536
Fri Oct 05, 2007 2:32 AM
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No, That is not my job here I let somebody else do that witness to you.
I just am giving my witness of what TBN is doing to this planet , and blessing this planet with the gospel.
I say this planet because it has obeyed better as óther christians and going into all the world which is doing, instead of us just witnessing in our own house only, and behind closed doors.
We need not be ashame of the gospel and go into the nations to witness Christ , and salvation.


J_Edwards did a great job at replying to you and about the only thing I would like to add to that is;
You seem to be accusing me/us of just witnessing in our own houses and not witnessing in the entire world.
I assume you believe that the Lord told you to say this, because you do not know me or others on this board.

I have to conclude this because you don't know us. But if you are wrong about us (which you are), it would make you a false prophet.
Some of the greatest evangelists this world has ever had were/are Reformed.

Tom


Then are you on international and nation tv and radio reaching the whole world with your witness, like those men of God are doing on tbn and te GOD Channel????????


But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
Re: It would help if you answered a simple questio [Re: evangelist] #36537
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evangelist said,

Then are you on international and nation tv and radio reaching the whole world with your witness, like those men of God are doing on tbn and te GOD Channel????????

Just because someone has a TV spot does not make them any better than someone who does not. The First Church of Satan has a programs too -- video, podcasts, etc.. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/threaddevil.gif" alt="" />

The apostles turned the world upside down without TV, radio, etc. TV and radio are just communication mediums. God uses many mediums to communicate His Gospel -- even the mouth of an ass. NOTE: To allow a communication medium to become a Golden Calf and worship it is sin.

An honest question to ask of many of these so-called evangelists is if they are even saved? TBN normally does not preach the Gospel, but has done MORE to disseminate a false gospel (Gal. 1:6-11) to the world than anything else. I do not consider large, but false, good.

Last I checked the Internet is International. I do not know how many hits this site receives in a year but it nears or surpasses probably a million. That is a pretty huge audience. However, I would have you to note that if it only reached ONE PERSON, than that is a very huge ministry as what we are discussing is a real life. Every life is precious. Every life is important. While you put a value on multiple numbers, we put a value on every individual life -- "true" life in Christ.

Warning, Warning, Warning: God can be turned off and on: The God channel. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/rolleyes2.gif" alt="" />


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Re: It would help if you answered a simple questio [Re: J_Edwards] #36538
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Good answer J_Edwards <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/BigThumbUp.gif" alt="" />
It would seem that evangelist believes that because these false teachers reach millions via TV and radio, then they must be true God honoring evangelists.
As you demonstrated, that reasoning is absolutely ridiculous. I don't have anything against using TV or radio to proclaim the Word per say. But, what he seems to be saying is that the media is more important than the message.
Each one of us as Christians has a part we must do in proclaiming the Gospel, but not every one of us is gifted as a preacher or even an evangelist.
Among other things I would suggest evangelist read 1 Cor. 12.

I for one will not be responding to anymore of his posts, unless I see some indication that he is actually teachable.

Tom

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