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Folks I am planning something for the celebration of the Reformation. What I would like is the definite list of the Fathers of the Reformation and quotes from them regarding the gospel or the five solas.

Before October 31 would be nice.


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If you believe what you like in the gospels, and reject what you don't like, it is not the gospel you believe, but yourself. Augustine of Hippo
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Fathers of the Reformation

Here are some other links:
http://www.ondoctrine.com/fivesola.htm
http://home.earthlink.net/~calvinist/solagratia.html

However, even though we desire at times to look at these prominent men and woman of the Reformation and recognize them, let us not forget about all the individuals (the ones never mentioned or even known) -- men and woman alike -- that prayed, obeyed, and made a difference.


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So would you include John Huss, Theodore Beza, and Philip Melanchthon in the list?


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So would you include John Huss, Theodore Beza, and Philip Melanchthon in the list?
Most certainly would. John Wickliffe is known as the morning star of the Reformation.

Hus was burned at the stake by the Catholic church on July 6, 1415. Hus sang hymns while he died. You may have heard the phrase, "your goose is cooked". This was first coined from the martyrdom of this reformer. Hus' name in German sounded like "goose". Thus, as he was burned, they coined the term "Hus is cooked (or, “your goose is cooked)" in German. Yet, Hus said to the Archbishop during his trial, that though he--the goose--be burned at the stake, another will come--a swan--to teach and preach the doctrines of the Bible; to finish the work of reformation which had begun. This swan would be no other than Martin Luther in the early 1500’s... http://www.apuritansmind.com/Reformation/Reformation.htm

Then there is William Tyndale, Luther, Zwingli, Calvin, and Knox. Here is a link to Reformation Wall in Geneva. See the men listed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reformation_Wall


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Joe,

Slightly off-topic, but it seems the origins of the phrase "your goose is cooked" are obscure; the phrase "cook their goose" first appears in print in 1851.

Source: http://www.takeourword.com/TOW191/page2.html


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Joe,

Slightly off-topic, but it seems the origins of the phrase "your goose is cooked" are obscure; the phrase "cook their goose" first appears in print in 1851.

Source: http://www.takeourword.com/TOW191/page2.html
I believe it is a rather reliable saying of the 1400 and 1500's. The phrase "‘The pen,’ replied he, ‘belonged to an old goose of Bohemia, a hundred years old" is related to it and it was stated Oct 30-31, 1517 by The Elector Frederick the Wise' (History of Protestantism, Vol. I. by Dr. J.A. Wylie). There is also a written reference to this in Luther's funeral preached by Johann Bugenhagen (1546).


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Here are some quotes on Free Will I don't know how famous they are.


Luther

"Free-will cannot will good and of necessity serves sin."


Calvin

"No free will of man can resist Him that willeth to save."


Tyndale

"they go and set up free-will with the heathen philosophers and say that a man’s free will
is the cause why God chooseth and not another, contrary to all scriptures."



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This is from pages 90-91 the section on John Calvin from Hughes Oliphant Old's book The Reading and Preaching of the Scriptures in the Worship of the Christian Church: The Age of the Reformation

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The Reformers were a team, and they are best understood as a team. Luther had the spark of insight; he was the most imaginative, the Reformer of penetrating genius. Crammer was the coutier among the Reformers. He knew how to manage the king and bring about reforms from the top. Melanchthon and Capito were more academic Reformers. They gave intellectual fiber to the Reformation. The quintessential scholar of the Reformation was undoudtebly Oecolampadius. Zwingli was the most politically astute, the Reformer who had a sense of the social implications of the Reformation. John Knox was the most daring piting himself against the House of Stuart and winning the whole of Scottland. Knox was an inspiring preacher as well as a man of action. But of all the Reformers, Calvin was the theologian. He was like Luther, a creative genius, but his genius was not to be found in imaginative flashes of insight, but in the systematic working out of the basic theology of the Reformation.

William

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