The Highway Forums General Discussion Theology Discussion Forum Demons and fallen angels (renewing topic)

I was watching the History station the other night and they were talking about the pyramids and other interesting artifacts on the earth, trying to explain how they came about. It dawned on me, recalling this topic from a while back that they are easily explained by the idea of the fallen angels roaming the earth prior to the flood. They most certainly had the means whereby they could do such things, and it just seemed to me to make the most sense. Biblically can I prove it, no, but it is a worthwhile consideration. I still believe that the sons of God in Gen. 6:4 is speaking of the fallen angels and not Seth's descendents.

Even assuming that you are correct about the sons of God being fallen angels, on what basis would you attempt to explain things like the pyramids with their being on earth? The pyramids, after all, weren't built until after the Flood.

Historically we are taught they were built after the flood, but I find it interesting there is no real record of their being built or how they were built. Possibly all the records were lost in the flood. The writings on the walls etc could easily have been added after the flood by otehrs. I believe individuals attempted the feat later after the flood but they were poor attempts and inferior structures. Historical records cannot be trusted, and in this case, I believe these structures were built prior to the flood. Just because the Pharoah's used them for their own purposes, does not mean that they were the actual builders of these monoliths. I am speaking speculative, I haven't done a real study on how the historians arrived at the dating of the pyramids, but I am curious, and will try to delve more deeply into it if I get the time. Just a thought that is all.

I do believe that there is indisputable evidence to show that the Egyptians built their own pyramids from the hieroglyphics and other such inscriptions found there. But, if "historical records cannot be trusted" then pray tell why should the "History Channel" can be trusted, when they are openly anti-Christian? On what basis should one reject the historical record in this matter? And if this historical evidence cannot be trusted, then what records of history can be trusted?

What we are left with is again nothing more than sheer speculation and fantasy of the first order.

There isn't indisputable evidence to show that the Egyptians built the pyramids. Maybe the junky pyramid next to the great pyramid of Giza. After my post I looked online and saw that a few others had the same idea. There was a book written on it, but the guy ends up going premil in the conclusion. http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0806528109/ref=sib_dp_pt I don't plan on reading his book, but I was interested that others thought alike. I just never heard it, nor did it cross my mind. I also found a link that said the pyramids were built prior to the flood. http://www.vinesbranch.com/view/?pageID=9387 I'm only presenting this for something to consider, It makes sense to me and to believe men built them is a lot more than what I have proposed. As for the history station, it didn't present this, but talked about aliens . History is basically written by people under the control of the prince of the power of the air, I never put much faith in history other than the historical books of the bible. Also, because I added those links it doesn't mean I agreed with everything they said on their sites, I'm just pointing out that others thought the same. I know that it is usual to discard anything a person says if there is just a hint of disagreement, where I like to sift through things and weigh comments whether they are true or not. I am curious how you are so confident about the date and the builders fo the pyramids when nobody else is?

I am confident of the historical evidence because it is totally consistent with how all men in all civilizations from all time have recorded their history. Yes, some exaggerate and even lie. But the majority of records we have are basically sound. Secondly, this theory which becomes more and more preposterous the more I hear/read of it has no credibility to it whatsoever.

Yes, I did read the second article which had me laughing and having great pity for the author due to his incredibly absurd speculation. I then began reading through the myriad titles of articles and read several of them out of curiosity. All, without exception were so contrary to what I know the Scriptures to teach that I cannot for the life of me understand how you are able to embrace anything written there, but especially concerning these fallen angels copulating with human women, etc...

Personally, I've reached my limit of interest and allowance for this subject. Watching Star Wars for entertainment is one thing but to even think that such silliness is REAL and created by God is utterly irrational, IMHO. I'll let you and whoever else wants to discuss this subject with you have the entire floor.

I'm outta here!

This is a little off topic but has anyone ever read Clarence Larkin on the great Pyramid?

Dispensational Teaching of the Great Pyramid

More Larkin stuff.




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Yikes, so this is where much of this ridiculous stuff comes from. The makings of fantasy only it is apparent that some frame their theology on this foolishness. Sad situation. Another Simon the sorcerer at work bewildering the unsteady minds of weak willed Christians. Should I be surprised.

I am puzzled why you think it is more believable that fallen angels built the pyramids than that mere men built the pyramids. (Assuming, for the time being, you are correct about the "sons of God" being fallen angels in the first place, which we've already discussed at length.) Actually, leading Egyptologists have recently suggested that the Great Pyramid could have been built by about 20,000 workers over the course of 20 years. Certainly the pyramids are impressive structures, but from biblical history I doubt they're even on the same scale as the Tower of Babel was before it was destroyed by God.

There are a couple of reasons, I'm not just limiting my thinking to the pyramids, but there are many more monolithic structures in the world besides in Egypt. Many say it was because of their engineering and astronomical abilites that gave the Egyptians the ability to build the pyramids. Did other cultures have that same ability where we find additional unexplained monolithic structures? It just doesn't add up, how were all the records destroyed in so many places, and what happened to that knowledge? Surely if they were smart enought to build the things, they would have been smart enough to keep records of their work. Where did the statues come from on Easter Island? How did they get there and I can ask many more questions. I do not believe in aliens, but I do believe in fallen angels, and they most definitely would be able to do these things. I can't see how this is so hard to grasp, to me it makes complete sense, much more sense than Seth's line and men building these things. I can't convince anyone, but in the same way, I can't deny it, I'm convinced it is true. The people I talk to about it seem to grasp it and agree, so it isn't that far fetched. Keep in mind, this does not harm the gospel or anything, just a curious question to ponder.

Yeah but what if aliens from another planet built them?

That's every bit as believable as the "demons mating with humans" theory. Every bit as biblical, too.

It doesn't speak in the Bible about "other worldly" creatures, but it does speak of fallen angels, so how is the idea of aliens just as believable? And how is the idea of aliens biblical?

First, why assume they kept records? Cultural ability has nothing to do with it. Maybe they had reasons not to leave any records behind. Second, if we assume they did keep records, why the further assumption that those records would not later have been destroyed - either by some natural catastrophe or perhaps an enemy civilization or perhaps due to internal political unrest? There are any number of reason "so many" records could or would have been destroyed over the course of thousands of years. Third, we do have SOME records, for the pyramids in particular: the paintings, heiroglyphics, and even what appear to be graffiti from work crews on the walls, in addition to the various artifacts that have been found. That the pyramids were built by mere men (for whom we have already discovered bakeries & cemetaries) for various Pharaohs is fairly well-documented in the relevant scholarship. Those who question that much of the historical record are by far in a small minority, & they have nothing but pure speculation to back up their claims.



It's rather a silly question, if you ask me, which relies entirely upon speculation. You have to start with the idea that mere men couldn't have built the pyramids & other similar structures. (And why not? They were definitely mere men who were building the Tower of Babel!) You then have to assume that such structures would have survived the Flood. Then you have to speculate, based on a very tenuous exegesis, that the "sons of God" were fallen angels who were regularly roaming about on the earth. Then you have to add to that that they built these structures. You're piling on speculation after speculation to arrive at your conclusion. What evidence do you have that fallen angels built any monuments in the first place? It's not a matter of me not "grasping" what you're saying. I just think you have no grounds for your position. Simply put, it is all much more easily explained by mere humans doing these things, and all of the evidence we have points in precisely that direction.

I do not argue that this is speculation, and that is all this discussion will be, but my speculative opinions are not contradicted by scripture, but in the same way I can't infalliably prove it from scripture either. I just believe scriptural evidence points my way more than any other. For me, this is just a little excursion into possiblities, for whatever reason, God has chosen to keep this shrouded in mystery. He has provided enough information in the Word for this to be plausible. As for paintings and heiroglyphics, other people than the original builders could have easily added those after the fact. Individuals full of vanity taking credit for the work. I don't believe we understand the true purpose of the sturctures either, limiting our perception of who built them and why. As for Babel, they said lets go and make brick, not 14 ton blocks!!! Anyway, I find my view more acceptable in "my own" mind to be convinced otherwise. With speculation we must rest on what we are convinced to be true.

About the 14 ton blocks, I guess you didn't know about a man who made it his life’s goal to find out how things such as this could have been made.
About 10 years ago I was watching a science show about this very thing. They showed some absolutely incredible things on this person’s property.
Many of which had to do with pyramids and other unexplained things. I wish I knew how you could view things for yourself (perhaps someone else can?), but I do remember how impressed I was as I watched.
If I remember correctly, this man didn't use any machinery that we have today, because they didn't exist in ancient times.
Also, if I remember correctly the show didn't give all that much insight as to how he did it. I was left scratching my head a bit, but it gave me the distinct impression that man was responsible for most or all of these unexplained things.


Tom