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It is beginning to look more and more like Covid vaccines are going to become absolutely mandatory in the near future. Already, in the health care profession, in many places such as B.C. Canada the government is considering seriously about forcing all health care worker to take the vaccine.

The borders between Canada and the US are opening up soon to all fully vaccinated people and they make it sound like this is a permanent thing.
I read a newspaper article today from the head doctor in B.C today, that claims the variants such as the Delta Virus, makes it absolutely mandatory that non-vaccinated people get vaccinated soon, or the variants will be out of control.
I have a good reason to suspect these government and health officials have an agenda and I do not trust them at all.

I am hearing other rumblings that, they may be coming down hard on those who will not get vaccinated; even to the point of jail time, or forced vaccination. All ready, many people I know even n Churches are trying to guilt people who have yet to receive the vaccine. Family members turning against other family members who have not received the vaccine.

My question is, what should we do if our convictions say we should not get the vaccine, especially if it becomes mandatory and vaccinated family members treat unvaccinated like criminals?

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In the U.S. this debacle is heading in the same direction. My understanding is that there are two exceptions for not submitting to the Fauci "stab" (vaccine): 1) medical reasons, i.e., the person has a condition that if vaccinated it could prove to be hazardous to their health, and 2) religion reasons: I am open to correction on this one... I heard/read that the religion itself must have some policy that forbids getting injections or whatever. The first thing that came to mind was some of the hyper-Pentecostals who forbid all human medical help including medications. The JW's have a prohibition against blood transfusions. So, simply saying that your person religious beliefs are against vaccinations isn't enough. Hey, being treated like a criminal here in some places is better than being a good citizen. rofl


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JWs have no trouble with being vaccinated.
At least all the ones I know at work have been vaccinated. Sorry I know that was not tie point.

The problem I am having is knowing how to respond to people I care about.
For example, many in my own family say that those who are not vaccinated are acting like criminals.

If they try to force me to get vaccinated, should I submit?

A Christian friend of mine, seems to be willing to fight rather than submit.
He said he would also be willing to go in hiding if necessary.

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I would appeal to the Nuremberg Code, which outlawed experimental medical procedures on unwilling participants as a crime against humanity. In all cases, consent is required, and informed consent is impossible with an experimental medication. As of yet the vaccines are not FDA approved except under emergency use authorization, which is not the same thing.

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The problem I am having is knowing how to respond to people I care about.
For example, many in my own family say that those who are not vaccinated are acting like criminals.
If you really care about these people, then you will stand upon your convictions as a witness to your faith and trust in God. NATURAL immunity is certainly far superior to the man-made vaccines for this virus. The reason you do not want to be vaccinated is what you will have to defend. Personally, I do not choose to get the vaccine because there is an infinitesimal possibility of my dying if I get infected. I am not at risk. Perhaps I have already contracted this virus and the symptoms were minimal to the point I am not aware of my getting it. Regardless, I stand on my conviction that it is my right and my choice to not get any of these vaccines. IF I was at great risk of dying from it due to one of the very few pre-existing conditions, I would probably get it.


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I guess the ones that bother me the most are like minded Christians
that on this subject they have their minds set, believing that if you do
not get the vaccine you are not loving you’re neighbor.

I am beginning to expect this coming from the world, but this issue (and lockdowns) is causing Church splits.

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I don't think I'll even be surprised if the vaccinated people suddenly turn and kill their unvaccinated friends and family when Order 66 is given.

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I don't think I'll even be surprised if the vaccinated people suddenly turn and kill their unvaccinated friends and family when Order 66 is given.
Hmmmmm, sorta like the infamous "Zombie Apocalypse" anticipated conspiracy, but with the vaccinated ones being the Zombies whose ultimate goal is to rid the world of the unvaccinated ones who refuse to drink the Fauci "Kookaid"? giggle


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Originally Posted by Robin
I don't think I'll even be surprised if the vaccinated people suddenly turn and kill their unvaccinated friends and family when Order 66 is given.

I take it when you say "Order 66", you are not giving a real order called "Order 66". Rather you are using "Order 66" as something you believe is a real possibility.

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Order 66, also known as Clone Protocol 66, was a top secret order identifying all Jedi as traitors to the Galactic Republic and, therefore, subject to summary execution by the Grand Army of the Republic. ... In secret, Order 66 was the means by which the Sith intended to bring about the long-awaited fall of the Jedi Order.


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Mrs. Robin got the vaccine and I tease her occasionally by sending her a text message: "Execute Order 66," then grab some mock weapon to defend myself with when she reads it.

Yes, it's a joke, but there's so much evidence that the mRNA shots are not vaccines in the usual (scientific) sense; that mass "vaccinations" are causing the variants to appear, and that they provide no immunity nor prevent "vaccinated" people from getting infected and spreading the virus. Adverse reactions are in the hundreds of thousands already, some of them absolutely debilitating.

Even after these so-called vaccines are given FDA approval, I simply don't trust government bureaucrats' word that the "medication" is either safe or effective.

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I do not trust them either.
One thing I am noticing is that there seems to be scientists and physicians on both sides of the debate (Christian and non-Christian}. To the average person it is very hard to know the truth and that is setting family and friends against each other.
In my own family, every time there is a spike in Covid cases, the government imposes new lockdown measures. Family members that are completely for vaccines, blame it on those who are not fully vaccinated, knowing fully well, that the others are not vaccinated.
They are not even interested in hearing the other side of the debate, because they believe the other side have been influenced by "conspiracy theorists".
I need to be honest, I nearly lost it the other day, when a family member shoved their belief in my face. Believe me, they were not polite about it either.

I know that it is a waste of my time to say anything, but how can a possibly remain quiet when they obviously are being disrespectable to me?

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You can handle a little disrespect. If you respond at all, you must do it in love and with kindness.

"For this finds favor, if for the sake of conscience towards God a person bears up under sorrows when suffering unjustly. For what credit is there if, when you sin and are harshly treated, you endure it with patience? But if when you do what is right and suffer for it you patiently endure it, this finds favor with God (1st Peter 2:19-20)."

Knowing when to stop arguing with fear-driven, willfully ignorant people is wisdom.

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Very good advice!
What I need to do when that happens, is turn my full attention to the Lord. I admit that this is not always my first reaction and I end up frustrated, especially knowing that anything I say would be fruitless. This is especially the case with family members; whom I love.

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