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Talking to an Arminian about Eph. 2: 8-9 and he mentions something I am no expert on.
I believe it is safe to say that in these verses both grace and faith are gifts of God.
I am hoping someone can speak to the following better than I can?

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Grace is the indirect object, the dative case in Greek. Faith is not- it is the genitive case, showing possession or “by way of.” Faith is not the gift.

Probably, the best way to translate this would be “For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this (grace received through faith, or salvation) is not your own doing; it is the gift of God…”

Only grace is being given as a gift. It is given as a gift through our faith. Faith is not what is being given.

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No expert here, but the Arminian saying, 'is not of your own doing' rules out that Arminian position.


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"having been firmly rooted and now being built up in Him and established in your faith . . ." Colossians 2:7

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