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The following is from "Luther - Lectures on Romans" "A second objection: "God will have all men to be saved" (I Tim.2:4), and he gave his Son for us men, and he created man for the sake of eternal life. And likewise: Everything is there for man's sake and he is there for God's sake in order that he may enjoy him, etc. But this objection and others like it can just as easily be refuted as the first one: because all these sayings must be understood only with respect to the elect, as the apostle says in II Tim. 2:10: "All for the elect." Christ did not die for absolutely all, for he says: "This is my blood which is shed for you" (Luke 22:20) and "for many" (Mark 14:24)—he did not say: for all—"to the remissionof sins" (Matt. 26:28)." page 252 in the book, or page 315 as it comes up in the pdf filehttps://kupdf.net/download/luther-lectures-on-romans_5afc9269e2b6f52526be4e01_pdf
Eddie
I am a New Covenant believer whose basic study Bible is the KJV but I will read from and study the mainline translations to determine what I believe is the correct original text. I value the expositions from centuries past as from Matthew Poole, John Trapp, John Gill and I even find the Methodist Adam Clarke a help in some areas. I embrace TULIP and am 'mildly' post-mil from a gospel perspective.
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There is another interesting discussion online on whether Luther believed in the perseverance of the saints - https://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/2009/10/did-luther-believe-salvation-can-be.html
Eddie
I am a New Covenant believer whose basic study Bible is the KJV but I will read from and study the mainline translations to determine what I believe is the correct original text. I value the expositions from centuries past as from Matthew Poole, John Trapp, John Gill and I even find the Methodist Adam Clarke a help in some areas. I embrace TULIP and am 'mildly' post-mil from a gospel perspective.
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I believe it was RC Sproul that said that Martin Luther talked about God’s providence more than even John Calvin did.
Also, if anyone has read part of Martin Luther’s book; ‘The Bondage of the Soul’, they will notice that the title of the book is very telling. Yet despite this, in talking to Lutherans, many disagree, or state that Luther wrote that book when he was no longer sane.
In other conversations with Lutherans, I was shocked when they in no uncertain terms said the Reformed view that said: (I hope I don’t butcher this) “Salvation is by grace alone, through faith alone in Christ alone. But not by a faith that is alone” is actually a works based righteousness because it should not include the last part. When I tried to say why I agreed with the Reformers and added we are not “anti-nominians”. One person said “what is wrong with being an anti-nominian?”
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Also, if anyone has read part of Martin Luther’s book; ‘The Bondage of the Soul’, Perhaps you were referring to Luther's popular work, The Bondage of the Will?
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Thanks, I did not notice my mistake even after I proofread it.
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