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On the more recent thread on TOSOC, it was mentioned Mr. Vance spoke of the number 5 meaning death and the 5 points of TULIP. That really irks me. I'm glad I didn't realize it was his book until after I spoke with him. Hey...the title to his book has FIVE WORDS IN IT!!!!!...

(Fred) Who is able to stand against such withering logic?

Five = Death

TULIP has Five Letters,

therefore, Calvinism brings spiritual death.

Of course we could also see:

Five = Death

VANCE has five letters

therefore, Vance brings spiritual death

So much for anti-Calvinistic argumentation.

Fred

"Ah, sitting - the great leveler of men. From the mightest of pharaohs to the lowest of peasants, who doesn't enjoy a good sit?" M. Burns