Oh pish posh! It's obvious the whole question is about Iraq or some other of America's recent wars in your eyes. Be honest about it or forget it.

So you think that only America wages war or that every one else in the world views right or wrong through the actions of america only? I live in a country where the government wages war against entire communities in the effort to capture one or maybe two ganglords and the end result is always murder and injury to the innocent and these actions are accepted by none pacivist christians until their family dies innocently in one of these raids. Then it is time to cry out against this. We value the lives of our prople as well and I am sure I was quite clear that the issue is war of all kinds including civil or international.

America's actions are above discussion with americans so I would not even venture there. I am sure that you know that.

While I do not agree with war of any kind including terrorist action, I feel no pain for the capture of that wicked man who oppressed Iraq.

But from my understanding (though not a theologist) of the old and the new testament, the main difference is the coming of the Christ and the fullfillment of what the old was building up to. So yes anyone who has read the bible knows that the Old testament is filled with war stories. Again as I said originally, sticking to the question which you refuse to discuss, What does the New Testament, what does Jesus say about war? I asked whether Christians are instructed to promote, encourage, or support war in anyway shape or form? But you all seem bent on justifying your country's involvement in "a war". So I guess from all this as it relates to war all you want to discuss is America, as you fail to see beyond your own nationality. No room for Christian bible baised discussions on such a topic.

I take this to mean that you do not wish to have this discussion but you would rather have a political discussion, which I do not care for. I live in an area that is not as bad as reported in the media but I do here gunshots atleast once a week and there are different sides that fight against there own and other sides and in the midst of all that is the police who are under instructions from our government to carry out raids and armed excursions into areas that have the elderly, the sick, Children, women who are not invloved in wrong doing or anything that warrants their death either in crossfires or wrongful hits and the Church is largely quite on this issue and often supports the actions of this war. Similarly I thought you may have similar issues with your churches being quiet or supporting similar actions of your goverment. But maybe you dont think that people outside of america face problems too and have issues that are worthy of discussion?