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Delivered said:

So you think that only America wages war or that every one else in the world views right or wrong through the actions of america only? I live in a country where the government wages war against entire communities in the effort to capture one or maybe two ganglords and the end result is always murder and injury to the innocent and these actions are accepted by none pacivist christians until their family dies innocently in one of these raids. Then it is time to cry out against this. We value the lives of our prople as well and I am sure I was quite clear that the issue is war of all kinds including civil or international.

No, that has NOT been clear. You were talking about nations invading nations, not police raids!

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But from my understanding (though not a theologist) of the old and the new testament, the main difference is the coming of the Christ and the fullfillment of what the old was building up to. So yes anyone who has read the bible knows that the Old testament is filled with war stories. Again as I said originally, sticking to the question which you refuse to discuss, What does the New Testament, what does Jesus say about war? I asked whether Christians are instructed to promote, encourage, or support war in anyway shape or form? But you all seem bent on justifying your country's involvement in "a war". So I guess from all this as it relates to war all you want to discuss is America, as you fail to see beyond your own nationality. No room for Christian bible baised discussions on such a topic.

I never brought up Iraq until it became clear to me that that's what you had in mind. If it's not in fact what you had in mind, your description sounded quite a bit like it! But at any rate, I've not been attempting to justify any particular war, I've simply been trying to correct your mistaken assumption that the government should behave as the church, in short, as a minister of mercy. That is not the government's role. As far as Jesus taught, Christians are not to go to war to build the kingdom of heaven. That's it. The weapons of the world are not to be the weapons of the church! But that doesn't apply to earthly governments, and nowhere are Christians forbidden from supporting or taking part in war. As I pointed out to you before, Jesus never told the centurion to quit his job as a Roman military official.

Last edited by CovenantInBlood; Sat Jun 25, 2005 11:44 AM.