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speratus said:
Secondly, Pilgrim and JE, if I read their previous posts correctly, would deny there is any efficacy (in the narrow sense) through Word and Sacrament for either elect or reprobate.
I am more than confident to respond to this statement in behalf of JE as well as myself, knowing perfectly well what JE believes on this matter. First, you didn't read either of our posts correctly. Second, you evidently didn't read my next to last reply to you here, where I wrote:


The Bible and Calvinism assert that God is sovereign and consequently all things occur according to His eternal counsel. ALL that God wills (decreed) is "efficacious", i.e., it will accomplish that which He has purposed.


However, what God has purposed through the Gospel and in the sacraments are not necessarily identical. Further, what God has purposed through these means in regard to the elect most often differs; e.g., the Gospel invariably is the means through which the Holy Spirit regenerates the elect and calls them to faith immediately. Baptism differs in that regeneration is most often not accomplished in baptism but later through the Gospel. And the Lord's Table differs yet even more so, in regard to the elect, in that it serves to strengthen, console, etc., the elect and thus its focus is upon sanctification rather than justification.

Now, let's wait and see what Paul_S has for you.

In His grace,


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