I thank you for the links but I am in a bit of a quandary.. I have very little if any time these days because of school and work.. in fact I sit here on the forum trying to post and read posts because that is really the only time I get to.. And thats if I get done with all my classwork type stuff so I have only been able to skim through some of the articles.. My question for them is this.. Are those articles explaining how a regenerate heart can be sure of salvation or an "elect"? My original question, and I think I may have misstated it as only asking about salvation, but the 2nd part of that if you will was, How can you be sure you are an elect?. I ask because I know alot of people who have "accepted" Christ as Lord and Savior admitting to their sin and admitting that Christ is the ONLY ROAD to eternal life. and that with out Him they are doomed to eternal life in Hell. However, if I understand what I have been told (else where, never directly here on the boards) that the elect can't or wont ever know if they are truly an elect.. There are distinct behaviors that would "identify" them so to speak, but they seem so vague.. I was curious about that as well.