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I will be very simple here. Again, faith being a condition of salvation does not rule out the fact that faith is a gift of God's unmerited grace. Salvation can still be conditional but be totally of grace if the condition that is met (faith) by sinners is also a gift of God (Eph 2:8-9). True, faith is the means by which we take hold of salvation. Without faith a person is lost and bound for hell. Therefore, faith is also a condition of salvation. (Side note: Final salvation is conditioned upon perseverance and perseverance is also a gift)
To say "Christ died for all people" (without qualification) IS a heretical statement. I think you will find that John Piper uses statements like these to catch the attention of those who are seeking out and studying about TULIP. Therefore, it makes it very easy to take him out of context and say he is teaching heresy. Do I believe John Piper is a heretic? NO, absolutely not. I do believe you must read the entire context of his books before passing judgment.
Renat, have you read the entire book "Faith in Future Grace" (As I have)?
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