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"OceanOf[Conditional?]Grace"
As Pilgrim has pointed out, Piper is notorious for making heretical statements. "Living by Faith in the Future grace" is an altogether heretical concept, based on a works-and-grace-in-return mentality. The basis for a holy living of the redeemed / obedience to the covenant commandments is NOT an expectation to obtain a "future grace" by your works of obedience. The basis for the holy life of obedience is GRATITUDE for what God HATH done for me in Christ! Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son [to be] the propitiation for our sins. Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another. (1Jn.4:10,11)
Renat To assume that Piper means that it is our works that "obtains" this future grace is treading in dangerous waters. Please provide evidence that this is what Piper means and not a straw-man argument. 
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Renat Ilyasov
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