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Pilgrim, 1. I do not know why you your note is worded to be so conclusive. I have read this creed and it does not exclude Jesus from creating the universe. · The creed established the orthodox view that Christ has two natures (human and divine) and that they are unified in one person. (that is “Jesus”) · It acknowledges one and the same Son, our Lord Jesus Christ, at once complete in Godhead and complete in manhood, · It acknowledges one substance with the Father as regards his Godhead, and at the same time of one substance with us as regards his manhood; · It says He is the one and the same Christ, Son, Lord, Only-begotten, recognized in two natures, without confusion, without change, without division, without separation; the distinction of natures being in no way annulled by the union, but rather the characteristics of each nature being preserved and coming together to form one person and subsistence, not as parted or separated into two persons, but one and the same Son and Only-begotten God the Word, Lord Jesus Christ; even as the prophets from earliest times spoke of him, and our Lord Jesus Christ himself taught us, and the creed of the fathers has handed down to us.
2. Furthermore your own references show Jesus (the Word) creating the universe, · (Heb 1:1-2) makes reference to Him being Heir and lawful Owner of all things, also by and through Whom He created the worlds and the reaches of space and the ages of time [He made, produced, built, operated, and arranged them in order]. AMP · John 1:1-3, 14 says all things were made throught the Word and the Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. (The Word is Jesus) · Col 1:15-19 Says He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, · Heb 1:8-10 says this about the Son: "Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy." He also says, "In the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands. NIV · Heb 3:3-4 Jesus has been found worthy of greater honor than Moses, just as the builder of a house has greater honor than the house itself. For every house is built by someone, but God is the builder of everything. NIV
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