Originally Posted by JesusFan
The act of the water Baptism is the person who has been saved displaying that fact by that act.... Again, already are saved, only believers would be doing it....
Again, IF as you believe, that baptism is "displaying that fact (the person who has been saved), then de facto, EVERYONE who is baptized MUST BE saved. So, do you understand what you are saying? To state it another way, ONLY truly regenerate believers are baptized. The problem is, that is categorically untrue. So, now what are you going to do? rolleyes2

Originally Posted by JesusFan
And when paul tells us that we go down into the water, and rise up out of the water, how can that not be immersion?
Could you supply the text, please? I hope you aren't going to be so foolish as to refer to Romans 6:2ff? The passage most often used to support immersion as the paradigm mode for baptism is Acts 8:36-39. And if you want to use that passage, I would be more than willing to discuss that with you exegetically. grin

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