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The following quote is from James White's Alpha and Omega Ministries. I've Been Saying This for Years Now... Homosexuals are suppressing the truth of God in their lives. It is a difficult thing to wrestle constantly with your conscience, to put out so much effort into convincing yourself that your sin is good, to call light darkness and darkness light. It is toilsome. Because of their state, homosexuals are particularly angered by anyone who would say homosexuality is unnatural; it is directly opposed to God's creative order, it is sinful, life-destroying, and God demands you repent from it. And so, they are willing to lend their considerable financial (and hence politically powerful) support to any politician who will help them to suppress such speech, or to put it bluntly, to give them super-rights. They wish to be able to say, and do, anything at all: but, at the same time. they are willing to see the rights of others, especially their free-speech rights, denied. Now that the party that is most in support of homosexuality and its agenda is in (slight) control of the legislative branch of the US government, the laws that are being used to suppress the open and honest preaching of the Christian faith in Europe, Canada, and Australia, are being promoted here. Under the guise of "hate crimes legislation," HR-1592 is making its way through Congress, the next major step in criminalizing Christianity in the West. Our society's hatred of God's law is so deep, so pervasive, that I honestly see this not as something that will bring God's wrath--we are well beyond that point--but as evidence of God's wrath. If my generation passes away without facing the very same seizure of our property, denial of free speech rights, and even imprisonment, faced by our brothers and sisters at the hands of Muslims, Hindus, and Communists around the world, surely the next generation will face such hardships. May God grant us strength and insight to use our current freedoms to form for the next generations a solid foundation upon which they can stand against the fierce storm of the world's hatred. James White The homosexuals are soooo loving and tolerant, excepting, of course, those that oppose the legal inforcement of their "loving" agenda. They are making "wonderful" sordid gains and even in some Scandinavian countries it is now illegal to preach publically from Romans chapter 1. Denny Romans 3:22-24
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Simon Peter answered Him, "Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life." [John 6:68]
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The most dangerous legislation in America is HR 1592, the federal "hate crimes" bill that is making its way through the Congress. Hearings for the bill were held two weeks ago, and while homosexual rights activists, the ACLU, and others spoke out in its favor many Christians warned of its consequences. The bill would permit punishment of individuals that perform "hate crimes" based on race, color, religion, national origin, gender, and sexual orientation. Wrong-headed laws like this have brought persecution against Christians in Australia, Europe, and Canada. Janet Folger, president of Faith2Action, called it "the most dangerous bill in America" and suggested that it would be better named the "Hate Grandma" or "Hate Free Speech" bill ("Hate Crimes Bill Hearings," Christian Post, April 18, 2007). The reference to "grandma" is to women who were arrested in Philadelphia and charged with hate speech toward homosexuals. Brad Caucus, president of the Pacific Justice Institute, testified about the problems that have arisen over alleged "hate crimes." He cited recent efforts of the Hindu American Foundation to silence Christian missions and apologetics websites. He said: "HR 1529 is a smokescreen for stifling dissent on important issues of national debate such as sexual orientation, gender identity and religion. This so-called 'hate crime' legislation begins to lay the legal foundation and framework for investigating, prosecuting and persecuting pastors, business owners, and anyone else whose actions reflect their faith." - From wayoflife.org A lot of Christian leaders are very concerned about the passage of this bill. How did this group of people become so powerful in America?
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Sorry to resserect such an old topic, but I did see this recently as it came up for a 2nd reading in the House. The bill- at least right now, defines the hate crime as, "willfully causes bodily injury to any person or, through the use of fire, a firearm, or an explosive or incendiary device, attempts to cause bodily injury to any person, because of the actual or perceived religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity or disability of any person--" or if they are denied the use of a public facility.
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Young Catholic said:
Sorry to resserect such an old topic, but I did see this recently as it came up for a 2nd reading in the House. The bill- at least right now, defines the hate crime as, "willfully causes bodily injury to any person or, through the use of fire, a firearm, or an explosive or incendiary device, attempts to cause bodily injury to any person, because of the actual or perceived religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity or disability of any person--" or if they are denied the use of a public facility. Hi Young Catholic, Welcome to the Highway! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/hello.gif" alt="" /> It's OK to resurrect old threads with new comments. Thanks for giving clarity to the current language in the hate crimes bill now in Washington. Since you brought up the topic again I have a question for you. Why do we need hate crime laws? Aren't the current laws enough? The list of crimes you've included in your post are already covered by our current laws. Why should the motives be added to a bill which sorts out special groups of citizens? It seems to me that hate crimes deal more with motive. Isn't there a danger of taking away some of our freedoms by imposing hate crime laws? For example I've read that pastors won't be able to condemn homosexuality from the pulpit because it violates the hate crime laws. What's your view on that? Wes
When I survey the wondrous cross on which the Prince of Glory died, my richest gain I count but loss and pour contempt on all my pride. - Isaac Watts
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Thanks for the welcome: I do agree there's a danger- but I don't believe it's from the laws- it's from our idiotic liberal court system *cough*9th circuit*cough* that makes insane interpretations from those laws. The bill itself makes sense to me. I know that Homosexuals have had troubles recently with violence against them- to me any violent action is no longer a freedom of speech issue- it's against the law. As to the barring of access to other public facilities- it's just a matter of "Everyone's equal”
As to our right to hate...oh boy, that's a can of worms. To me, the right to hate is a civil right (though not one you should exercise) BUT if we show our hate violently- we are not under that protection. (ie, pro-life protests are great, protesting by blowing up an abortion clinic is not okay and certainly isn’t a constitutional rite)
I feel the only danger here is court interpretations of this law- and that to me is something we can't really change unless you're the President. Personally, I feel if the court interpreted the document in the way people are saying the bill represents- I believe the religious sect will counter with the religious freedom clause which might find it's way to the supreme court which, thank God, is made up of more conservatives now.
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Young Catholic said:
Thanks for the welcome: I do agree there's a danger- but I don't believe it's from the laws- it's from our idiotic liberal court system *cough*9th circuit*cough* that makes insane interpretations from those laws. The bill itself makes sense to me. I'm not sure I follow your logic. If the liberal court system is the problem by their insane interpretations how is this bill going to fix that? Since the bill makes sense to you what does it give us that we need and we don't already have? I fear it going to take away our freedom of speech and prevent Christians from condemning sinful lifestyles. I believe it moves the line from burning down an abortion clinic to just warning women about the consequences of an abortion. Wouldn't they both be punishable crimes under this legislation? Wes
When I survey the wondrous cross on which the Prince of Glory died, my richest gain I count but loss and pour contempt on all my pride. - Isaac Watts
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Under the text of the legislation, no. The only change it brings really is making violent physical acts or denying access to public facilities a hate crime. The only danger here, I fear, is if we have someone interprit this as "If someone said this about homosexuals- they are being descriminated against and are being barred their public rites" etc. After re-reading the bill; however, that would be a very...stupid interpritation to make and I don't believe someone could get away with that.
As to the courts...meh, recently they've been legislating too much from the bench- sad really. The checks and balences of the US government are in a precarious situation right now.
Gloria Patri et Filii et Spiritu Sancti, Amen!
"For I know the thoughts that I think towards you, saith the Lord, thoughts of peace, and not of affliction, to give you an end and patience. "
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