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OrthodoxCatholic stated:
Again, because Mr. Owen had no understanding of how a covenant works. The covenantal head is the one who keeps the covenant for ALL THOSE WHO ARE UNDER HIM. Thus, when Adam sinned, all of his posterity shared in the curse of that sin. Same thing happened with Korah and his family. The corporate covenant between God and His people (aka "Is-rael") is kept by the covenantal head, which in the Jewish nation was the high priest, and now, in the Church, is our Great High Priest, Jesus the Christ. (Heb. 9 - 10). Thus, while the members of the covenantal kingdom may indeed be wicked (and eventually disinherited eternally), the curse of covenant breaking only falls when the covenant head, who acts in behalf of all under him, becomes a wicked leader.
I can't help but think that I am not understanding what you are setting for here, for if what I seem to be understanding is correct, then your view is woefully off the mark. Let me preface my brief remarks by saying that although most of that which you replied to in regard to Ddaann's post of which you assumed was written by John Owen but now realize it wasn't, your disparaging remarks were without warrant and less than amiable. For the record, if anyone here had half the biblical knowledge of John Owen, doubtless they would be far more knowledgeable than perhaps they think they are.

Now, I guess what I'm needing is some clarification of this part of your statement: ". . . the curse of covenant breaking only falls when the covenant head, who acts in behalf of all under him, becomes a wicked leader." What is bothering me is that you first mention Adam, he being the covenant head of the human race, who by virtue of his transgression, are sharers in the curse put upon him. To this I can give full assent, i.e., that Adam, having been appointed by God as the Federal Head of the human race and upon the principle of corporate solidarity, whatever actions he took had a direct effect upon all his posterity. (Rom 5:12-18; 1Cor 15:21, 22) However, I am under the impression that you hold that as Adam was the Federal Head of the human race, you also hold that the Lord Christ is likewise the Federal Head of the human race, i.e., all men without discrimination; every man, woman and child who ever was, are and ever shall be. And it is because of their being in covenant with Christ, that they can be brought to judgment for breaking this covenant relationship when they do not unite themselves to Him with not only a living faith, but also with works which are the fruit of that faith; i.e., obedience to the stipulations of the covenant. Would this be an accurate summary of your position?

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