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Joe k said:

What do you mean suffered in his earthly life? How did he suffer? Are you equating persecution or rejection as suffering?

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our redemption happened at the cross. Thats where He paid the debt. Without the shedding of blood there is no remission...

Joe K

It is a reformed doctrine that [color:"FF0000"]the man Christ Jesus[/color] suffered in His humiliation as the God man.

He suffered in his soul.
Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour. John 12:27

He suffered from his Father.
Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. Isaiah 53:4

He suffered in soul from his Father.
Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. Isaiah 53:10

He suffered from Satan.
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. Genesis 3:15

He suffered from the Jews.
But they cried, saying, Crucify him, crucify him. Luke 23:21

Oh how the Lord of glory must suffered in these things!

Doesnt all the verses you mentioned speak of the cross? Or have His sacrafice in mind?

Was there atonement in His suffereing? When he was beaten, were our sins being paid for? I do nto know if this is what you mean. Or was he paying for our sins while he walked the earth? I am confused by your response.

I do not believe Christ would have had to have been beaten any more, hung on the cross longer, or bled more than He did to atone for the sins of His elect.

If I am not understanding you correctly, I apologize.

Joe


There never was a sinner half as big as Christ is as a Savior.