2 John 1:9
Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
Im curious about exactly what John meant at the time.
Specifically how his version relates to the Trinity.
Im sure you've heard the old bit Christ is not God but the Son of God, the first creation, that sort of thing. 'The term used 'Christ is not God but the Son of God' used as a half truth, rather than a way to distinguish the Second member of the Trinity.
So its seems a non trinitarian definition of Christ violates John's doctrine. Meeting his definition of antichrist.
Below is part of an ongoing exchange;
Originally Posted by Hitch View Post
Denying the Lord is most often accomplished through redefining who and what he is according to NT revelation
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That is correct.
Let's look at an example:
Jesus asked Peter, "Who do you say I am?"
Matthew 16:16 "And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God."
Jesus did not then beat Peter with words telling him that he had to know he was God. But instead Jesus said: "Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven."
What would the antichrist do that misrepreents who Jesus is? He would portray Jesus to be insistant that Peter say, "Thou art God." And thus he would be misrepreenting Jesus' holy nature in that Jesus' holy nature does not so insist on such things to the point of argument.
The antichrist makes it seem as though Jesus says, "I will crush you here and now if you do not believe I am God." Or the antichrist slyly tries to make it look like Peter actually said Jesus was God. He will do anything to get his way about what he believes and so represents a Christ that would also do that.
But Jesus' holiness of love looks for even a little faith upon which he may lovingly build with patience over time. John 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
That has not changed since the Holy Spirit has arrived. Since the Holy Spirit has arrived we merely have less excuse for not acting as Christ acted.
A little later;
Hitch;
Nothing subtle in teaching that Jesus is anything but God incarnate. Though often subtleties are employed.
Response;
Point well taken. I am not promoting either view over the other.I then told him it was high time he did stand one way or the other , and even after posting that a second time he has not addressed the matter.
