The Highway Forums General Discussion Open Forum The Depravity of the Left

Just remember, it is people that kill people. Not guns, knives, or any other killing method.
They are just tools.”

Tom Hardy people will kill people without weapons, but weapons don’t kill people without people!

100% true......I really believe that stronger gun control would have taken the ability for the crazy folks to commit these atrocities. Not everyone should be allowed to have access to firearms in today's society. I sure wish things were like they were in the 80s.....but you can't fight progress.....it's evolution.

Tom Hardy by that logic, people should be allowed to own bazookas. Don't fall into the Conservative trap of putting more guns into the hands of Americans.

In 2023, Kirk said that gun deaths were "worth it" to ensure the preservation of Second Amendment rights in the US-- which is the right to keep and bear arms.
"It's worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year, so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights...That is a prudent deal," he said during an appearance at the Salt Lake City campus of Awaken Church on April 5, 2023.......although sad, this reeks with irony.

This was a professional hit… and free speech is the target. There is more than one way to be silenced. The “force” is much greater than the gun. The weapon of “force” can be a vaccination, an unjust ordinance, monetary extortion/ fiscal coercion, social media derived smear campaign or some form of baseless indoctrination, etc., etc. ….

I thought I would deal with a few of your points.

1. Appeal to Other Countries

You point to countries like Australia and Norway as success stories. That’s a common move: “If it worked there, it can work here.” The weak spot is that national histories, cultures, and constitutional frameworks differ greatly. The U.S. has a Second Amendment tradition, far higher rates of civilian gun ownership, and a different frontier/cultural ethos. So “copy-paste” solutions don’t transfer neatly. Also, many of those countries still struggle with other forms of violence (stabbings in the U.K., sexual assaults in Scandinavia, etc.).

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2. Black Market Argument

You minimize how accessible illegal firearms really are. The statement “For Average Joe, it is not easy to obtain a gun on the black market” ignores that most criminals are not “average Joes.” They live in circles where black-market guns are much easier to obtain. Criminals, by definition, don’t go through legal channels. So stricter controls often end up burdening the law-abiding rather than cutting off supply to bad actors.

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3. Framing Gun Control as ‘Common Sense’

Notice the rhetorical move: “I don’t want to take your guns, I just want them stored properly, people vetted, guns registered, etc.” That sounds reasonable—but “registration” and “vetting” have historically been stepping-stones toward tighter and tighter restrictions. Many gun owners see this as “death by a thousand cuts.” In other words, the end result is disarmament of law-abiding citizens, even if couched in terms of safety.

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4. Law-Abiding Citizens vs. Criminals

Their challenge—“Why do you say it’s about taking guns from law-abiding citizens?”—is central. The answer is: because criminals ignore registration, training requirements, and safe storage laws. The only people who comply with such rules are the law-abiding. So when politicians add restriction after restriction, the practical effect is reducing legal gun ownership while criminals remain armed.

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5. Underlying Philosophy

Their comments reveal the difference in worldview. On the left, there’s generally more trust in government: “If we regulate it harder, it will be safer.” On the right, there’s more skepticism: “Government control leads to loss of freedom, and criminals don’t follow rules anyway.” That’s the clash—safety through government vs. safety through individual responsibility.