The Highway Forums General Discussion Theology Discussion Forum Baptist Child Dedication

Blade<br><br>Howard has admitted that he been letting this issue cloud his mind, so much so in fact that even his wife has told him so.<br><br>He has also made some very uncharitable comments about Baptists themselves. It would seem that all this attention he has placed would make Reformed Baptists only marginally Christian.<br>If you think the issue of baby baptism is a black and white issue, you are sadly mistaken. <br>I choose not to get into debates like this, because I am probably not the best person to try and represent the credobaptist side.<br>But I have read quite a bit of information by noted authors from both sides of the equation, to take what I view as the biblical model of baptism. I may be wrong on that and I will continue to study the issue, but regardless of the truth of the matter, to take such an extreme view on the issue, that it divides Christian brothers and sisters, is in my opinion a real shame.<br>Understand, I am not saying that the issue of baptism isn't important, but it isn’t essential to the faith.<br><br>Tom

Division over truth is nothing to be shamefull about. As faar as doctrine particullary bpatism should it not be black and white.It is isnt it I mean there is no room for grayness.<br><br>blade

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr>[color:"blue"]the God-man Jesus Christ was the one who saved me.</font><hr></blockquote><p>As it is also true of everyone who is saved. But that is NOT the issue here, eh? [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/wink.gif" alt="wink" title="wink[/img] God uses means to bring men to Christ, which are significantly important, at least God deems it to be so. (cf. Matt 28:19, 20; Rom 10:14-17; et al).<br><br>In His Grace,

t'is it not

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr>[color:"blue"]t'is it not</font><hr></blockquote><p>Sorry, but I can't seem to comprehend the depth of that remark. Care to extrapolate a bit? <br><br>In His Grace,

pilgrim,<br>I beg of you re read my as well as howards posts there in lays the answer. I do not see the need to re explain myself. If you want to give a man credit in part due to your salvation by all means do so. I will not.<br><br>blade <br><br>p.s. not to be rude and downplay the authority you have over this board but please cut the sarcasm it does not add to anything .

I don't know if you have read any biographies of noted pastors and theologians (of various Reformed denominations). But one thing I noticed in a few of these biographies is the fact that they changed their views on some issues as the Holy Spirit shed more light on them.<br><br>Hypothetically speaking Blade, if over a period of time after much study on the issue of baptism, you became convinced that the credo Baptists were correct, would you change your views on the matter?<br><br> I believe that as students of the Word, we must remain teachable if we are going to grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.<br><br>Tom

of course.<br><br>blade

Blade<br><br>I am not Pilgrim, but I think it is you that have misunderstood Pilgrim.<br>Pilgrim is not saying that it is not God that saves, for indeed it is, he is saying that God uses people such as those who faithfully obey the command to go into the world and preach the gospel.<br>This is not to take the emphasis off of God, but to show that God uses His Word as preached by faithful people to accomplish His means.<br>Spurgeon is just one such faithful person, there are many others who do so.<br><br>Tom<br>

Blade<br><br>In case you missed my point, I made those comments to show that there are qualified pastors and theologians on both sides of the baptism question.<br><br>Tom

ok point taken!

I understand this my point was top not draw emphasis upon mens actions but the work of God.<br><br>blade

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr>[color:"blue"]If you want to give a man credit in part due to your salvation by all means do so. I will not</font><hr></blockquote><p>I have a strange feeling that this is not going well. I would ask YOU to read what I wrote on the matter of accrediting salvation to God/Christ/Holy Spirit, which I said is the same for every man. And then I said that God has ordained the means by which men are saved, e.g., the preaching of the gospel. This hardly amounts to giving "credit" to a man for salvation. [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/drop.gif" alt="drop" title="drop[/img]<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr>[color:"blue"]p.s. not to be rude and downplay the authority you have over this board but please cut the sarcasm it does not add to anything.</font><hr></blockquote><p>So, things are degenerating to this type of remark eh? [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/rolleyes.gif" alt="rolleyes" title="rolleyes[/img] What "sarcasm" is to be seen in my request that this statement [color:blue]t'is it not</font color=blue>, which is all that appeared in your reply be expanded upon? If it makes sense to anyone other than you, would that person please respond and explain what it means? For I surely haven't a clue what it means. I mean, it isn't even a complete sentence and it has no context. Now, if you are really wanting to throw out these less than charitable remarks, I would kindly remind you of the Forum Guidelines which we do try to uphold. [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/wink.gif" alt="wink" title="wink[/img]<br><br>In His Grace,

Blade<br><br>What Pilgrim said was perfectly fine, because of the context that he said them in. If we only emphasize that it is God who saves apart from the means God saves, we miss a huge part of the equation.<br>This is something that hyper-Calvinists do, when they neglect evangelism.<br><br>Tom

Dear Pilgrim,<br>I apologize if some of my posts are a bit unclear to you or others on this board. I do not want to create division I seek your forgiveness If I have done so. My points are as following If you know howard personally like I do then you will understand where he is coming from and is acting out of the convictions of his heart and with all sincerity. I as well as him view all christians whether they be baptist or presbyterian who confess in the one true living God to have been given salvation. Now the area of conflict is thus that if paedo is correct and the sacrement that should be upheld then credo pastors are in err and should not be pastors if they deny the correct function of the church same goes if it is the other way around. Does not mean that credo men can not be theologians and there very good ones as I like AW pink considerably. Also I do not deny that men are used by God in bringin the knowledge of his Son to his people. Im just not keen on placing alot of emphasis on how great a man he or she is who brought this knolwedge to glorify them over the true giver who is Christ who throught the Holy Spirit working in men or various ways brings the love of God to mens hearts. I apologize if some of my comments have been sarcastic,and I will do my best to refrain from such language. <br><br> In Christ Blade