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averagefellar said:
In order; Because everybody elected to salvation is saved. Since we know not every human is saved, we can know that some people, infants included, are not of the elect. We don't know if any babies specifically are in heaven, just that scripture supports the idea of babies being elect. Hi, I would like to know why you try to make the logical conclusion that we can know that some children are not elect since not every person is saved. I'm not saying I disagree with you, but I don't think the conclusion follows from your premises. I found this interesting article that would seem to cast doubt on your conclusion (see page 148, it's not 148 pages long). http://www.reformed.org/calvinism/boettner/infants_boettner.htmlI do believe that all elect infants and only elect infants go to heaven based on Christ's substitutionary death for the elect. Although I tend to believe that not all infants are elect, I have not decided it conclusively in my mind (and may never come to a absolute conclusion). I think the above article makes some interesting observations on this issue. It seems that even in reformed circles the issue is not as cut and dried as it seems. As Boettner states, the WCF remains silent on who the "elect infants" are. John
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