Thank you for the humor, as I said to John earlier, it's obvious we must reason out the beliefs we have and make certain that all our beliefs can logically coexist.

As for this disagreement between Wes and MHeath, I must agree with Wes on this issue. "all infants who die in infancy are elect". is a very specific case, but it still doesn't seem to jive with the doctrine of UNconditional election and what God says about the whole and all of mankind. It also doesn't match up with the just and wraithful and righteouss God who is unchanging and whom I know in Scripture. It's like those persons who say that Jesus was fond of kids so He's going to save them. Well, I'm sure that on earth Jesus was fond of other things but that doesn't mean they'll be in heaven.

I don't want MHeath to think though that I am insensitive to her position, this is a very sensitive issue and I'm certain that she has her reasons.


<img src="/forum/images/graemlins/ranton.gif" alt="" /> This may be off topic, and perhaps I'm misreading a few remarks, but as I understand it one of the two said something about agreeing to disagree, I think both did in fact say that.
Personally though, I'm disturbed by this idea that we have a right to believe whatever we want to. NO! We have a no right even to hell as sinners, but we are required to know and do the things of God and we must come to know what is true or we are believing something false and putting our faith in a lie and that is no better than idolatry. We must come to the right conclusion. If I were free to believe whatever I wanted or to disagree with anyone I wanted then I am Santa Clause and there will be Pope's in heaven and libertines too, FIE! It is necessary to have Faith and True Faith in Christ for faith comes from Christ and Faith must go to Christ or it is not true faith it is false. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/rantoff.gif" alt="" />


Our beliefs must be grounded in the Bible first through last and then logic next and then perhaps on the great works of other Christians, but if we argue in any other order then we are not standing on a slippery slope but plunching to our deaths.

Thank you all for your time.

-Brother Luke