E. F. Grant,

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What was it that caused Holland to fall so far? Some have said it is the doctrine of presumptive regeneration.

One does not have to go far in the US to find this same kind of depravity (try Holly Wood, San Francisco or Las Vegas).

I was a front-line witness to the fall of the Dutch mainline denomination CRC (Christian Reformed Church). I do not know how much the idea of presumptive regeneration played in her demise and should leave that to the experts. I do know that liberal and liberation theology played a huge role and I suspect (guessing) that the liberal heretics were a major attack force in the European Holland churches as well. IMO, presumptive regeneration is a very liberal idea in the first place. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/bananas.gif" alt="" />

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Could it not have been the pride of its commercial success?

Materialism and disobedience to the Tenth Commandment seems always to make fertile ground for heresy and idolatry and as such, leftist politics and Socialism now tends to be the rule in all of Europe. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/bow.gif" alt="" />

Denny

Romans 3:22-24

Denny

Simon Peter answered Him, "Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life." [John 6:68]