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Joe, I have no problem with the Rich Lusk's quotes. I'd also add that he has a book out affirming paedofaith. I'll ask you the same think you asked me: “Do you understand him?” “Do you understand the language he used and not merely moving him into our century and redefining what he actually meant?” Have you read [Lusk] or just occasionally quote [him]? – my guess would be the later. I also have no problem affirming that people can reject/deny their baptism bringing greater judgment upon themselves. Ehud your use of “baptismal regeneration” is nothing near what Calvin’s was I'm not sure that I've given you my definition of baptismal regeneration other than affirming what Calvin wrote. I have said that baptized individuals are baptized into Christ and can be called Christian. Romans 6:2-4 2By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it? 3Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life. Are infants baptized into Christ or are they not? Galatians 3:26-28 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. 27For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave[a] nor free, there is neither male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. Are infants one in Jesus Christ with us adults or are they half-way covenant chumps? Have infants put on Christ? If baptism puts on Christ, but infants can't put on Christ then why are we baptizing them? Calling a cat a dog does not make it a dog and calling children “Christian” does not make them love Christ! Your philosophy reeks! You are exactly right! Me calling someone a Christian does not make them a love Christ. However, it is God Almighty in His divine providence and love who places children in gospel homes and it is He who says "as many as have been baptized have put on Christ." My "reeking philosophy" is attempting to deal with this. As for the proverbs you quote, I have no problem with disciplining children. Even God disciplines his children otherwise they would be illegitimate children. So if anything the love of God is expressed to baptized children in the disciplining that comes from godly parents. My only problem is teaching children the commandments of God apart from the greatest commandment. And yes anyone who is a member of the covenant may and should pray in Jesus name. Jesus when he spoke to the disciples, (which included the lost and saved), said, “When ye pray” and not “if your elect then pray” (Luke 11:1f). Did not Judas pray? Did not Judas participate in the ministry of Christ? Did not Judas, an adult, participate in the LS to an extent – though warned by Christ of his immanent betrayal. Calvin 3.20.17 Since no man is worthy to present himself to God and come into his sight, the Heavenly Father himself, to free us at once from shame and fear, which might well have thrown our hearts into despair, has given us his Son, Jesus Christ our Lord, to be our advocate [1 John 2:1] and mediator with him [1 Tim 2:5; cf. Heb 8:6 and 9:15], by who guidance we may confidently come to him, and with such intercessor, trusting nothing we ask in his name will be denied us, as nothing can be denied to him by the Father. If we teach our children to pray in Jesus' name then why can we not call our baptized children Christians? Faris
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asking for clarification
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Again, I request more clarification
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Fair enough
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