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AJC said:
If GOd is outside of time how do we know our elect status is fixed - can't God change the course of one's eternal fate with the snap of His fingers - or is this an invalid question based on some of the scriptures and feedback already provided?
Let me quickly address an issue you brought up in one of your other replies regarding the salvation of "Arminians" and "right doctrine". The answer is actually very simple.... will there be any Arminians in heaven?, No.... absolutely not for Arminians rely upon grace + works to save them and we know that "by the works of the law no one is justified". However, there is a crucial distinction that must be made in regard to "Arminians". As John Hendrix pointed out, there is sometimes a disparity between what resides in one's head (what they confess) and what resides in the heart (what controls their life).

To put this in practical terms, IF <------ a semi-Pelagian (I am using this term rather than Arminian because for all intents of purposes 99% of those who are deemed Arminians are actually semi-Pelagians today) TRULY believes in his/her heart what they profess doctrinally, then they are not saved. Notice, I did not say then cannot be saved, for until the last breath is drawn, there is always hope that they will repent and believe on Christ with a true living faith. To try and make it even clearer for you, IF <------- a person TRULY believes that the prime reason that they are saved and their neighbor isn't saved is because they "made a decision for Christ" then again, they are not saved because they are resting in their own "free-will", i.e., a "work" of the flesh. One could simply substitute any of the doctrines of grace and the result is the same because it always comes down to what the individual does rather than what God does.

I cannot help but conclude that all this confusion and consternation you are having is due mostly to your lack of having a solid foundation of biblical teaching and specifically a working knowledge to some degree of Calvinism. There is certainly nothing "wrong" with being ignorant about something.... we are all ignorant about many things. But to try and debate or convince someone without having the knowledge and/or tools to do so you are simply asking for trouble. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> Yeh, yeh.. I know it's the practice of most in the "evan-jelly-cal" world to have people read that little prayer on the back of the "Four Spiritual Laws" card and tell them, "You are now saved! Now, go out and tell others about Jesus and get them saved." Fortunately, there are few to no other areas of life where this type of silliness is practiced. Can you imagine applying that type of methodology to prospective drivers? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/Eeeeeek.gif" alt="" /> Can't you see a Driving Examiner saying, "Okay.. here young man, read the little blurb on the back of this card and then you will be not only a certified driver but you will also be qualified to make other people drivers."

Again, The Highway has well over 1100 books, booklets, articles and sermons from which you can choose on various subjects. You can start by going here: Calvinism and the Reformed Faith. Get learned..... !! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" />

In His grace,


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