The Highway Forums General Discussion Theology Discussion Forum Saved and NOT know it ???

Thanks for making your thoughts so open and crystal clear. I do understand your ideas perfectly well, and agree with them entirely, but am a little bit fuzzy about this ideas you have of 'joined to His human body' and again 'join Himself to human flesh'. I am not sure if these terms are the same as 'became flesh' For the Son of God was an entirely new being, and as the Apostle Paul calls Him, 'the last Adam - a life giving spirit' Not that He was not fully human, but also that He was both God and man, and the 'first born', the only 'begotten'. This seems to be coming along with the discussion and I just want clarity on this point.

William, regarding the matter of 'Justification by Faith alone' and a subject that I am more than familiar with, I have moved to a stronger tower against the Ecumenical position, namely 'Justification by Christ alone'. It is just that with equivocation has made this doctrine difficult to 'dilineate' (I think my word might be wrong...what I mean is the position of terms like 'justify' and 'faith' have been so twisted, that concentrating on the 'Pre-eminence or Christ' brings the conflict more sharply to a head, with those who are beginning to submit to the Papal Office as being the dominant office. I hope this is not confusing.)

So it is that I have taken the stance of the Puritan; making Christ the central focus of all doctrine, and just shortening the route. Instead of Justification by Faith alone, I move as in Chess to the heart of the matter. After all it is Christ who justifies, by grace through faith, it is most certainly NOT of ourselves 'in any way whatever', we can lay no claim to justification. (this we know), and so as to make that crystal clear in the current times of unification (a worldly concept), I choose to lift the 'Saviour and Deliverer' of the saints, to a position that He has always had from eternity. The pre-emminent One.

Again just to bring forward a bit more to consider. The name Jesus in the book of Revelation does refer to the 'Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End.' It is just that in so much that is being discussed, in Ecumenical circles (pun intended), there is little correct presentation of 'the completed work of the Lord Jesus Christ' (which we know and understand in terms of Scriptures such as 1 Corinthians 15:1,2)

I have been looking for both the articles you mention and will attend to them with great diligence, but not before the Scriptures out of which all men, even I, are attempting to expound, 'the truth', yet 'the truth' is not simply found in the Scriptures, the Scriptures (Sola Scriptura) are themselves the 'written word of God.' Excuse the deviation.

Let me download and print both that you have put on the menu. I have already got the other one ready, and I am currently reading 'Healing the Wound' by John R. Robbins, though I have read most of this in various other lectures, being a lover of Gordon H. Clark's work, needing still to acquire 'Predestination' by the same, and all his other work.

To another topic, perhaps at some point further on, 'the nature of man', 'the image of God', 'General and Special Revelation' and 'How it is that man knows anything'. Just so you are both clear and anyone who reads. Though I have been reading and studying for 31 years, I still regard myself as 'an old fool' and 'an absolute beginner' (David Bowie) and so am going to have to spend more time reading than anything else.

I am still truncated on the matter of 'Traducianism' and 'Creationism' and the ideas relating to 'Adam's sin', the correct position of 'Eve' and the ideas of Rome concerning Mary and 'the second Eve' ideas. So much to consider and in the end, just desiring to KNOW what is the correct position.

Sidebar: Has anyone considered the work of 'Jeff Pollard' ex lead singer of Louisiana Le Roux, and how would describe his position concerning the plan of God ?

Whew, that was a gigantic fish to load, or a net to unload. I am currently entering, have entered Chapter 10 of Daniel, on my way to Malachi.

Brothers of Christ,

Straw.

ps. If all that seemed a little mixed up. Pilgrim I understsand what you have written and agree the ideas I have expressed ONLY relate to 'the elect', also that I do understand that the event in time and space, is the same covenant that was always spoken of between man and God, as revealed in all the Scriptures.

My only consideration is that prior to the event of the cross, and by that I do mean (the death, burial and resurrection), those of the elect of old, look forward in hope to this truimph, and as the writer in Hebrews says in the last passage of Chapter 11, only with us, those who are post cross, 'And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.' (Perhaps a good passage for us to hold the fort. Stand and deliver, discuss matter of 'saved and not know it...for there was a partial blindness here, as prophet, priest and King looked forward and only saw the shadow, but 'when the fullness of time came'...etc

Hence I stand on the only solid ground I know, 'Justified by the Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, alone' - not leaning to 'fiath, hope or love' but to God in Christ, my redeemer, lover of my soul, Saviour and Deliverer. This I do so that I will not be deceived, should the power of Rome's equivocation swallow all that remains of the body of Christ, into the unholy alliance with those who are happy to hold out a hand of fellowship to unbelievers, as if they were already elect. My position I hope is a little clearer.