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Dear Denny and Pilgrim, Denny said: Did I suggest in my post that at a time like this I would "beat someone down" with a lecture on theological correctness? I certainly hope you did not take Pilgrim's nor my post as recommending that kind of behavior. I do not. Pilgrim said: However, we likewise have no warrant to lie or mislead anyone in regard to this issue, either. The ONLY correct answer to the question, "Where is my unborn child now?" is to repeat the words of Abraham who was distraught in realizing that Sodom was to be destroyed with all of its inhabitants; men, women and children. I agree. Certainly, this is central to my thoughts on this matter as expressed in my last post. The loss was awful and I grieved terribly. I knew the passages in Romans 9 [Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.] and I knew that there was a strong chance that both of my parents would not be some of the happy faces I might see [in glory], but I consoled myself with uncertainty and would not accept it until I accepted God for who He is, the Lord God who judges more righteously than you or I ever could, [Genesis 18:25 (ASV)] and I let go of both of them, for each had, had lives that they had lived and each would have died and gone to the very place where God wants them to be. I cannot, I dare not question the Potter on His decision, but He was patient with me and let me take a sidebar into fantasy, for a time he let me have them both saved and safe. But in time I learned that if they were, where-ever they are they are exactly where the wisest and holiest of holy God Almighty has them and that I needed to rest in.
I still grieve some and cry some, when I think of my precious Mother. O Lord, into your hands I leave them. (note references in [ .... ] ) John Gill in reference to this passage below makes a profound commentary point... For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath showed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.
James 2:13 Here are some pieces of John Gill's commentary on the above passage from James that I think bring a sombre balance to some of the thoughts that are being expressed here ... so the rich man, that neglected Lazarus at his gates, is refused a drop of water to cool his tongue; and the servant that cruelly insisted on his fellow servant's paying him all he owed, justly incurred the displeasure of his Lord, and was by him delivered to the tormentors; and that servant that beats his fellow servants will be cut asunder, and, have his portion with hypocrites; and such who have seen any of the brethren of Christ hungry, thirsty, naked, sick, and in prison, and have showed no regard for them, will hear, 'Go, ye cursed, into everlasting fire':
.....the Ethiopic version renders it, he only shall glory in the day of judgment, who hath showed mercy; the Alexandrian copy reads in the imperative, 'let mercy glory', c. and the Syriac version, 'be ye exalted by mercy over judgment'. My only concern was that if someone who might have suffered an abortion, or lost a precious one during pregnancy were reading this, they might find little consolation. If you our reader are suffering such a terrible loss, please know this we have the deepest sadness for you and pray the love of Christ will soothe you and help you to come to that place where you rest in the one of whom Abraham said, 'judges right' I salute you my brethren for the softness, the wisdom and gentle spirit with which you have both contributed to this thread. In His grace,
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