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The only way we know what God's decrees are is if He tells us what they are or if they have already come to pass. If Esau had died in infancy, and verses 11-13 still read just as they do, I would concede this argument to you immediately and completely; in fact, I would have never offered an alternative perspective on this issue at all. It would be a very "hard saying" but what am I gonna do? Judge God? Tell Him He's unjust? God forbid! But until I see the matter as clearly as you and some of the others on this board do, I will cling to this hope.

Dear Brad,

It seems that Paul reached this conclusion in Romans 9:14 and continues to motivate for the Potter's power to do as He wishes. If it were not so them we should all be annihilated as Sodom and Gommorrah. His choice, His choice, His choice, grants that a remnant, a seed, be saved.

It is a very hard fact to accept, that God can and will do exactly as He pleases. This we cannot twist away from no matter how we argue. This point is clear throughout Scripture.

Sincerely,

Last edited by straw; Thu May 24, 2007 7:38 AM.