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Brad said: Perhaps I am wrong, but I have never taken UNconditional election to mean that God has no reasons for electing some over others. I have always taken it to mean that God has reasons, but they are His reasons, part of His hidden eternal counsel and will, unknown, mysterious, and unfathomable to us - quite frankly, none of our business or concern I don't believe our God is sentimental or emotive when it comes to His justice. I know that you nor I or any other reformed believer would have this any other way. The fact is that it is you that is making this issue your " business and concern", when the fact is the Scripture is nearly silent (explicit or implicit) about what happens to certain individual unborn. When you tell an unbeliever that you "believe" (outside of the Scripture) that all of the unborn are elect, what happens to the authority of your witness that you "believe" Jesus died for our sins? The Lord's wisdom in this is higher than ours! The danger is that to attempt to force your view (wish) that all unborn children are elect upon the Scripture will destroy or negate doctrines that we know to be true, for instance the doctrine of Total Depravity. Total Depravity is a doctrine of fact not sentiment and applies to all of the children of Adam. 20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor? 22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory [Romans 9:20-23] BTW, please also note that my respect for much of what Dr. Clark has written does not have application for the issue at hand. Denny Romans 3:22-24
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Simon Peter answered Him, "Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life." [John 6:68]
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