Originally Posted by MikeL
Kyle wrote:

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As for liars, yes, God destroys liars - those liars who do not repent. David was a sinner too, but he repented, & God spared him.

So what you're saying is that when Psalm 5 declares that God destroys liars, we should not base an entire theology on the claim.

I totally agree.

When God says he hates false witnesses, I'd say this is no evidence that God damns them.


As I recall, the issue of God's hatred was raised because you insisted that "God is love" & he could never hate someone enough to damn them, but instead God hates sin rather than sinners. Well, we've established scripturally that God does hate sinners. And you & I both agree that sinners who remain unrepentant go to hell. We've also established scripturally that God hated Esau before Esau had been born or had done anything good or bad - although I have argued that the individual named Esau is clearly indicated, we can allow even here that God hated the nation of Edom before it had come into existence or done anything good or bad (God as a racist?) - in any case the matter is the same: God hated someone before they had ever come into existence, and He rejected them from being His children before they had ever done anything at all. Biblically, the dilemma is not for the Calvinist to resolve, who affirms that out of the mass of sinful humanity God chose some & rejected the rest; the dilemma is rather for the proponent of libertarianism (i.e., unfettered free-willism), who affirms that God loves some people enough to send them to hell because of their free choice to sin even though He'd prefer to save them!

Last edited by CovenantInBlood; Fri Oct 23, 2009 8:13 PM.
Kyle

I tell you, this man went down to his house justified.