Pilgrim,<br>I think you misunderstood bro howard here.I dont believe that howard thinks a baptis brother is any less saved than a presby brother.Its all by grace,understandably so your theological biblical growth is a journey and is fufilled in Christ so if you understand howard better its his(not secluding him) view that baptists should not be pastors per se as they dont fufill the sacrements according scripture hence by denying children baptism.<br><br>my 2 pennies,<br>Blade