Hi there <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Well, maybe you could teach me how to do the "quote" thing? I would much appreciate that.. sorry that is off topic!

I was not referring to you Pilgrim when I said 'you.' LOL.. just "you" in general.. as in those who hold this position. That's all I meant. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I also didn't say anything about anyone being "owed" a chance at salvation. No one is owed a thing by almighty God. But He does tell us that in order for one to be saved, there must be repentance and belief. Faith. No infant has ever had that. Yes, ALL are born with a sinful nature. Even elect infants. Someone on this board did say that somehow, elect infants go to heaven. Everyone here agrees at least that much.. that elect infants go.

What I am saying is that I do NOT believe that God overlooks those who may not have had the chance to hear the gospel. I am saying that I believe that God knew those babies would die. In whatever way they died. They were going to die and that was that. The killers are responsible, but God is sovereign. He knew there would be no chance whatsoever for that infant to know Him, to be preached the gospel, to repent and believe.

Now, you all say that somehow God's election covers those elected infants who were also born in sin. I am saying, that I believe there is no reason to think that God did not elect every infant/fetus that ever came into existence. There is no proof, and you say so yourself. But I do say that Jesus Himself was very fond of the little children. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> I cannot imagine that God, in His infinite mercy would send an infant to the fires of hell. He is merciful and loving. Enough to die for His people. I don't see any thing wrong with believing that He included all those babies.

I totally believe that all these children that die such a torturous death at the hands of horrible people.. that they feel the pain.. and are recieved into the comforting arms of a loving heavenly Father. And I believe that to be the case for any infant.

Michele