Although Chemnitz and Pieper consider Traducianism, as a doctrine, to be an open question, all Lutherans are agreed that original sin is "propagated from sinful seed, through carnal conception and birth from father and mother." And "God even since the Fall is the Creator of man, and creates his body and soul."
First, this is NOT an argument against what I posted, but a simple statement that God uses secondary means….. Second, please Scripturally prove how this works. Unless you can disprove Scripturally what I have
previously posted, according to your view (Traducianism) there exists
multiple species by definition and thus you would need multiple Christs for the redemption of all God’s elect? Since there is ONLY one Christ, your view is necessarily false!
There is difference between the souls of Adam before the Fall and of Christ and the souls of every other person. That difference does not pertain the substance of man only the accident of original sin.
First, you are changing the subject from regeneration back to the fall …. Second, once again, you failed to address my argument. Third, we know that Lutherans believe that mankind lost the image of God in the fall (of course, then mankind is no longer human by definition, but that is for another thread <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/giggle.gif" alt="" />), however the question here is about regeneration? Please reply to my argument using Scripture????
Would you say Eve's soul acquired original sin through her own sin or Adam's?
Adam as the covenant head of mankind (Rom 5:12-21), which includes Eve, imputed total depravity to the race. This is clearly seen as Eve's eyes were not immediately opened, she did not immediately hide (et. al.) after her sin, but AFTER Adam sinned (which clearly disproves that total depravity comes through propagation). After the sin of Adam then “the eyes of
them both were opened, and
they knew that
they were naked; and
they sewed fig-leaves together, and made
themselves aprons”
and thus, total depravity took root in mankind … and guilt and pollution was manifested … so
they heard the voice of Jehovah God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and the man and his wife hid
themselves from the presence of Jehovah God amongst the trees of the garden …
however, God called to the covenant head (Adam) for explanation; “And Jehovah God called unto
the man, and said unto
him, Where art
thou? And
he said,
I heard thy voice in the garden, and
I was afraid, because
I was naked; and
I hid
myself. And he said, Who told thee that
thou wast naked? Hast
thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded
thee that
thou shouldest not eat? And
the man said, ….. As I revealed earlier the representative view is the Scriptural view.
I am willing to defend the passages I have quoted from the Formula of Concord.
Please do one at a time, so we can avoid confusion …, but please quote more than just the confessions … that is not an exegesis of Scripture … otherwise <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/igiveup.gif" alt="" />
