<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr>[color:"blue"]To me reformed calvanism is trying to making calvanism more ammeniable as result of it its puffiness through fatalistic selectees. </font><hr></blockquote><p> Fatalism has nothing at all to do with Calvinism. Fatalism is a false doctrine and not a biblical doctrine. Fatalism is not Calvinism—you need to look up your definitions before making sweeping “general” comments, that you “still” fail to back up with Scripture.<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr>[color:"blue"]I adhere to Acts 17.11 not a website new theology of reformed calvanism so that means I search the scriptures not the reformed website </font><hr></blockquote><p> If I did not think that the articles on this website properly interpreted the Word of God, I would not direct you to them. But, you are right the articles will not assist you in your present condition because you cannot understand them. But since, there are over a 1000 articles here and you have not read them “all” (if any) how can you condemn them? You cited:<br><br><blockquote>Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.</blockquote> But, where is your [color:red]
readiness of mind</font color=red> and [color:red]
searching of the Scriptures</font color=red> to disprove Calvinism. You have violated the very thing you
claim to adhere too. [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/drop.gif" alt="drop" title="drop[/img]<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr>[color:"blue"]You should be able to explain to a child in Christ simply forthcomingly like an open book instead of asking one to read over a hundred pages for the answe to a simple question.</font><hr></blockquote><p> Calvinism is very simple for the regenerate to understand. Though I could have saved an immense amount of time by just you reading,
The Five Points of Calvinism, by W.J. Seaton please simply read this:<br><br>The Bible says we are NATURALLY SINFUL: by birth [Ps 51.5] and practice [Gen 6.5]. The Scripture informs us that we are BOUND: [2 Tim 2.25]. It demonstrates to us that we are BLIND, DEAF, and DUMB [Luke 6:39, 7:22]. The Bible instructs us that we, by nature are DEAD [Rom 5.12]. It illustrates to us that we are UN-INSTRUCTABLE [1 Cor 2.14]. Thus, man is depraved. When was the last time you saw a dead man heal himself?<br><br>Some have trouble believing that God could pass by some and elect others (unconditional election). Yet, like you, they have no difficulty in trusting that God called Abraham out of the Ur of the Chaldees and left the others (unconditional election).[img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/shrug.gif" alt="shrug" title="shrug[/img] Why should God choose the nation of Israel as His "peculiar people"? Why did God choose the younger son Jacob (disregarding the customary family laws of Israel), over the elder Esau? (Rom 9.11-13). Thus, one who does not believe in unconditional election clearly does not believe the Word of God.<br><br>Whose penalty did Christ bear? Whose salvation did He acquire? There are three options:<br><br><ul>1. Christ died to [color:red]
save all men</font color=red> without distinction. <br><br>If, Christ died to save all men, then, all men will be saved. If, Christ paid the debt of sin, for all men, then all men will be saved. Is unbelief a sin? Yes! If, Christ died for all the sins (including unbelief) of all men then none could ever be lost for their unbelief is atoned for!<br><br>2. Christ died to [color:red]
save no one in particular</font color=red>.<br><br>Some say, Christ obtained only a [color:red]
potential salvation for all men</font color=red>, although He paid the debt of our sin. Even though Christ said, “it is finished,” His work on the Cross does not become effectual until man
makes a decision for Christ and is thereby saved. Thus, man becomes the author (initiator) of his own salvation. But, this is in violation of Scripture—Eph 2:8-10, et. al.<br><br>3. Christ died to [color:red]
save a certain number</font color=red>.<br><br>Christ died certainly and effectually to save a specific number of hell-deserving sinners. Christ paid the debt for the elect and only them. Christ died to save a particular number of sinners; those for whom He Himself said He shed His blood: [color:blue]
This is my blood of the new covenant, which is shed <span style="background-color:yellow;">for many</span>, for the remission of sins</font color=blue> [Matt 26.28], that is, those [color:blue]
chosen in him before the foundation of the world</font color=blue> [Eph 1.4]; those whom the Father had [color:blue]
given him out of the world</font color=blue> [John 17.9]. [/LIST] If men are unable to save themselves on account of their fallen depraved nature (as proven Scripturally above), and if God has purposed to save them, and Christ has accomplished their salvation, then it logically follows that God must also provide the means for calling them into the benefits of that salvation which He has procured for them. Irresistible grace is proven from Scripture:<br><br><ul>John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.<br><br>John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.<br><br>Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.<br><br>Ephesians 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:<br><br>1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;[/LIST] Following total depravity, unconditional election, limited atonement, and effectual calling, we have — the perseverance of the saints; Phil 1.6, John 6.39, John 10.28, Rom 5.10, and Rom 8.1.<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr>[color:"blue"]Stoning is not of God is it? So it never ceased since it never began?</font><hr></blockquote><p> <blockquote> Exodus 19:12-13 And thou shalt set bounds unto the people round about, saying, Take heed to yourselves, that ye go not up into the mount, or touch the border of it: whosoever toucheth the mount shall be surely put to death: There shall not an hand touch it, [color:red]
but he shall surely be stoned, or shot through</font color=red>; whether it be beast or man, it shall not live: when the trumpet soundeth long, they shall come up to the mount.<br><br>Leviticus 20:2 Again, thou shalt say to the children of Israel, Whosoever he be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn in Israel, that giveth any of his seed unto Molech; he shall surely be put to death: [color:red]
the people of the land shall stone him with stones.</font color=red><br><br>Numbers 15:36 And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; [color:red]
as the LORD commanded Moses.</font color=red><br><br>And there are many more. </blockquote> <blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr>[color:"blue"]Yes. When you could easily yourself pick through hundreds of examples. For the Bible throughout shows sin and its possession with a believer and non-believer. To show just one example of hundreds to prove such a point seems legalistic to me. </font><hr></blockquote><p> I do not see any of your examples in Scripture and since you have been given ample opportunity to interact with the Scripture and failed to do so, they must not be there.<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr>[color:"blue"]If Calvanism says our free will is not independent then that is why I say it puffed up. Because only God giving us perfect will is unpuffed.</font><hr></blockquote><p> The will when given to Adam and Eve was perfect, but had the capacity to fall. Once fallen it was no longer perfect, but dead and unable to communicate with God, unless God choose to communicate first—simply look at Adam and Eve. Unregenerate man’s reaction to a holy God is to hide and cloth himself with his own works to hide his own sin—they make good Arminians. Only regenerate man has been given the capacity again to choose as Adam and Eve could. Thus, regeneration comes before conversion.
