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Tom
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And this agreement is some type of decision that man is responsible to make? Man is responsible to love and obey God, but incapable because utterly unwilling because totally enslaved to sin. Man has a will, he is able to exercise it according to the desires of his heart and the limitations of his nature. I especially think that Calvinism replaces, confuses and substitutes the ‘true’ Gospel call for sincere repentance, faith and trust with ‘submission’ to doctrine/portrait of “God’s character” aka ‘the Gospel according to Calvinism’ (And I think it’s defamation of His character and creation). Okay, then, what is the "true" Gospel, according to Kathy? Opposing Calvinism isn't enough to define your views. According to Calvinism, the ‘good news’ for mankind is that one’s eternal destiny hinges entirely on one thing, and whether or not you decide/choose to agree (submit in humility- a work) that you are a miserable puppet creature doesn’t matter one iota as to your eternal destiny. The "good news" for man is that God has sent Christ into the world to save His people from their sins. This salvation is offered freely to all who will come. As I explained above, however, no one will desire to come because all are enslaved to sin. Therefore God must change their hearts and instill in them the desire to come. It simply is not true that whether you "decide" or "agree" doesn't matter. We are not "miserable puppet creatures." Your choices do matter, but you will not choose rightly unless God transforms your heart. Those whom God chooses to transform are "His elect," and they will come to him--freely. Those whom God does not choose to transform will never desire to come to Him, but will live forever in rebellion against Him, and will receive the wrath justly due to them. and submit to a different God, who can’t be trusted, because of his ‘secretive will’ and double-speak. The unregenerate cannot trust God, that is true. Like you, when exposed to the truth without being born-again, they proclaim that this God can't be trusted and is deceptive--they fall for exactly the lie of the serpent in the Garden. "Did God really say . . . ? You will not surely die, for God knows . . ." And so they confirm themselves in their own rebellion, declaring that this God is not "worthy" of their worship. Yet, when man sins... it is against his neighbor, friend, wife, business associate, stranger... "Against You, You only, have I sinned, and done what is evil in Your sight, so that You may be justified in Your words and blameless in Your judgment" (Ps. 51:4). and think that this matters more than making one’s priority to be defending or submitting to a doctrine, for doctrine’s sake, in which man selfishly focuses on whether or not he’s a saved puppet "Whoever believe in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God" (Jh. 3:18).
Kyle
I tell you, this man went down to his house justified.
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