Hi Joe,<br><br>You wrote: “Well your statement has some truth in it. Everyone is hopelessly lost until certain ones are enabled by God’s grace to believe. But, after they are saved they are full of hope for they know of know greater thing that could have transpired in their lives. It is good that you acknowledge, there’s absolutely nothing that I can do to save myself. May I ask, how you came to this conclusion?”<br><br>The only way that anyone comes to the conclusion that they cannot save themselves, through the quickening of the Holy Spirit! <br><br>You wrote: “We have already discussed your term “torture,” thus I will not entertain it here. Here though you also have blamed God for man’s own sin. You are attempting to make God out the bad guy, but again, God is just in His punishment. It is His universe. He makes the rules. A judge who hands out a death penalty to a murderer is not considered unjust. The murderer is receiving his just reward for he has taken another human being life. God is just as He would never hand out a punishment that was not warranted and just.” <br><br>I’m sorry but I don’t see where I “have blamed God for man’s own sin,” actually I don’t blame God for anything, that’s the whole point. You seem to believe that God is going to torment the vast majority of humanity for ever and ever. I can’t accept that.<br><br>You might want to do a word study on the word torment, you might just find that “torture” fits, but, regardless, I have no problem with using the word torment instead. I began this thread with quotes from Christian preachers descriptions of eternal torment. <br><br>Since God is omnipresent, do you believe that God is in hell? Overseeing the torment of countless millions? Will He oversee this torment for ever? Is this your view of God Almighty?<br><br>You wrote: “Here you have made the assumption that man stops sinning after he enters hell, but that would mean that some how he became glorified aside from God’s redemptive act. Unregenerate man keeps sinning, even in hell, and thus hell is for eternity—which is just since he keeps on sinning.”<br><br>I don’t quite understand you here, do you believe that there is some kind of social structure in hell? Sin being the transgression of the law, do you believe that there are laws to be broken in hell?<br>