<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr>[color:"blue"]Can there be any greater suffering than an eternal judgment by God in which He removes all common grace and says to the unrepentant sinner, "Not My will but thy will be done!"? I can't think of one.</font><hr></blockquote><p>But Clay,<br><br>Not only would but CAN God relinquish "HIS will" to that of an unrepentant sinner? To do so would be to dethrone Himself and to become "non-God". Secondly, would you be so kind as to perhaps explain/describe how some of these texts fit into your idea of "separation"?<blockquote>Matthew 13:42 (KJV) "And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth."<br><br>Matthew 8:29 (KJV) "And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?" (The implication here is that Christ will be more than passive in the punishment of the wicked)<br><br>Luke 16:28 (KJV) "For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment."<br><br>Revelation 14:11 (KJV) "And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name."<br><br>Matthew 25:41 (ASV) "Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into the eternal fire which is prepared for the devil and his angels:" (There appears to be both a "departing" TO "eternal fire" and not just a departing FROM God)</blockquote>In His Grace,

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