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Joe k said:

Doesn't all the verses you mentioned speak of the cross? Or have His sacrafice in mind?

Was there atonement in His suffering? When he was beaten, were our sins being paid for? I do not know if this is what you mean. Or was he paying for our sins while he walked the earth? I am confused by your response.

I do not believe Christ would have had to have been beaten any more, hung on the cross longer, or bled more than He did to atone for the sins of His elect.

If I am not understanding you correctly, I apologize.

Joe
Thanks Joe

The language Pilgrim used was good and perhaps the best way to understand the atonement.

I was just trying to understand the Heidelberger having been aquainted with it just a short time now.
I believe the scripture does teach that the man Christ Jesus did suffer while He walked as a man.
To me though it seems as if the Father poured out all of His wrath for our sins on the cross and that is where the atonement was made. Hopefully the Lord will be pleased to enlighten me more.

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