No offence taken Joe. I do take sound advice on board believe it or not.

A couple of my best friends are arminians by the way.

One (and there are many) of my biggest problems is finding the "middle" ground betwixt hyper-calvinism and arminianism.

For the life of me , I cannot see it at the moment and I've not read anything that explains this to me .

I discuss this with friends and I am not alone in trying to discover this "middle " ground . Does this "middle " ground exist ?

Please, please help me find it .

howard