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Lordship Salvation Why So Controversial? #55648
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I am finding a another huge hot button that seems to be able to seperate Reformed Christians who usually agree with each other is "Lordship Salvation".
Rarely is it profitable even discussing the issue with those who think it is heretical.
I have even used a few articles from the Highway on this issue. Such as an excellent one written by William Webster to no avail.
They even went a step further and told me that there is no.such thing as "easy believism."
This issue seems to me like a no brainer, yet it is so controversial in the Reformed Community. Sigh...

Any thoughts?

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It's been 20-30 years since I last heard of it as a debate. I think it was between 2 radio preachers - John MacArthur and Chuck Swindoll. MacArthur in favor of Lordship Salvation and Swindoll against. I'm sure anyone can twist the argument around, but it is a good debatable topic. The rope should remain tight, and it is easy to lighten up one side or the other.

Back then, I sided more with MacArthur, but I heard some good arguments saying that he went too far. Is the current debate on the subject the same as it was back then?


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Webster's article is salient and solidly biblical, which would be expected from the pen of William Webster. grin

To claim there is no such thing as "Easy Believism" is like saying there is no such thing as gravity. It is so overwhelming prevalent throughout Christendom I cannot fathom how anyone could deny its existence. See Michael Haykin's great article here: Sandemanianism.


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Re: Lordship Salvation Why So Controversial? [Re: John_C] #55654
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Yes, I remember the issue itself. I also know that MacArthur is not without some of the blame However, I also know that when some of his fellow Calvinists such as Dr. Michael Horton and Dr. RC Sproul talked to him about the matter. He agreed with them and I understand he tried to clarify what he believed; hoping it would clear up the matter. Yet, despite all that it did very little good concerning his critics.
On the Lordship Salvation issue, there was no bigger supporter of MacArthur than RC Sproul.

As an aside note, I have talked to a few Calvinists over the years who maintain that Lordship Salvation is heretical. Hmm..., makes me wonder if they believe those who agree with it are heretics as well?

William Webster wrote an excellent article on Lordship Salvation, that can be found in the article section of the Highway.
https://www.the-highway.com/lordship-salvation_Webster.html

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Re: Lordship Salvation Why So Controversial? [Re: Tom] #55797
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The problem with Lordship salvation is that it completely undermines the concept of salvation by grace through faith. It adds works as a condition of salvation. It is basically telling Calvin and Luther ‘nice try but we like our works’.


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Originally Posted by li0scc0
The problem with Lordship salvation is that it completely undermines the concept of salvation by grace through faith. It adds works as a condition of salvation. It is basically telling Calvin and Luther ‘nice try but we like our works’.


It does nothing of the kind; did you actually read Webster’s article?

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Originally Posted by li0scc0
The problem with Lordship salvation is that it completely undermines the concept of salvation by grace through faith. It adds works as a condition of salvation. It is basically telling Calvin and Luther ‘nice try but we like our works’.

Can you give one or more examples from whatever literature you have read where you think this denial of grace through faith is substantiated?


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