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Why did Christ came into this world? #56278
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Good day everyone. It has been many many months since I posted something here. The last couple of years were extremely busy. And still is.

Here in SA we are still in some kind of a lock down situation due to the Covid-19 pandemic. One of the things following from the lock down are spiritual messages on Whatsapp and FB. In one of these messages the following was said by the pastor (the original is in Afrikaans but my summary here is accurate enough):

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We believe that God calls all believers. God loves his earth, this world which he created even if it is so different from the world to come which the Apostle Peter describes. Therefore, in his grace/mercy He does not leave this world to itself to sink further into corruption and decay. He intervened by sending his Son into the world to counter the corruption and meaninglessness, to bring the world again to its original purpose, which is to honour God.


My question is: did the Father send the Son into this world as an intervention to counter the corruption and to bring THIS world to its original purpose?

My own answer is no, this is not why Christ came into the world, but I would like to hear what others say about this statement by the pastor.

Re: Why did Christ came into this world? [Re: Johan] #56279
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Originally Posted by Johan


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We believe that God calls all believers. God loves his earth, this world which he created even if it is so different from the world to come which the Apostle Peter describes. Therefore, in his grace/mercy He does not leave this world to itself to sink further into corruption and decay. He intervened by sending his Son into the world to counter the corruption and meaninglessness, to bring the world again to its original purpose, which is to honour God.


My question is: did the Father send the Son into this world as an intervention to counter the corruption and to bring THIS world to its original purpose?

My own answer is no, this is not why Christ came into the world, but I would like to hear what others say about this statement by the pastor.

I agree. Christ was not sent into this world to stop the corruption of the physical earth nor to stop or curb sin. Scripture plainly states in myriad places that the Son came to earth taking upon Himself human flesh to redeem a people for Himself. These "called out ones" (the elect) are called OUT of this world, albeit they still live in this world (Jh 17:14; 1Jh 2:15, 5:18-21; 2Cor 6:14-18; et al) . They are separate and separated from this world being sanctified by the indwelling Spirit in preparation for the New Heaven and New Earth where righteousness dwells. Restoration of this world cannot be done by 'Social Justice', 'racial equality', 'gender identity', 'climate change', etc., etc., ad nauseam. Restoration will be done by God's hand by first destroying the present world by fire and then being re-made. The result will make the original world pale in comparison to its beauty and perfection (cf. 2 Pet 3).


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Re: Why did Christ came into this world? [Re: Johan] #56296
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John says for God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son. However that is only one verse of many. We also hear Paul speak about God's purposes in election and that God is in fact electing certain people to salvation. We live among the fallen sinners the weeds and this is how it will be until the new heaven and earth.

It's all by God's grace we even have faith to believe. Dead in our sins and trespasses doesn't sound like we have much choice in the matter or that people will be reclaimed by our actions. We do come to trust Christ but first need to be drawn by the Father to the son. So, it's all grace no matter how you slice it.

This world is passing away and the way things look at the moment I would say it will be sooner rather than later.

The Westminster Confession of Faith says this about how active we are in our calling.

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Of Effectual Calling
1. All those whom God hath predestinated unto life, and those only, he is pleased, in his appointed and accepted time, effectually to call, by his Word and Spirit, out of that state of sin and death, in which they are by nature, to grace and salvation, by Jesus Christ; enlightening their minds spiritually and savingly to understand the things of God, taking away their heart of stone, and giving unto them a heart of flesh; renewing their wills, and, by his almighty power, determining them to that which is good, and effectually drawing them to Jesus Christ: yet so, as they come most freely, being made willing by his grace.

2. This effectual call is of God's free and special grace alone, not from anything at all foreseen in man, who is altogether passive therein, until, being quickened and renewed by the Holy Spirit, he is thereby enabled to answer this call, and to embrace the grace offered and conveyed in it.

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Now God came here to show some of us his love and mercy. It’s only by his grace we know how anything about heaven and how that must work. We pray “your will be done on earth as it is in heaven,” which means we can know something about it and do it as well. The rest of the world will not know anything about this except what may come out of us from time to time after praying God will give us the patience and love it takes and even on our best days this is done with a pound of flesh.

The world is not getting better through our actions but we still need to be responsible to do God’s will. God knows our struggles in this sinful world and will watch out for us and one day give us heaven.

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The way is narrow that leads to life and FEW are those who find it. The road is wide that leads to destruction and MANY are those who enter through it.

Re: Why did Christ came into this world? [Re: godrulez] #56333
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Originally Posted by godrulez
The way is narrow that leads to life and FEW are those who find it. The road is wide that leads to destruction and MANY are those who enter through it.

Dr. Paul Elliott did a series on the subject of "FEW", i.e., the biblical teaching concerning the reality of the "Remnant" who are marked for salvation in Christ. I found part two to be especially 'on the mark', perhaps since I have held to this truth for decades and found that it is more than unpopular among professing Christians. Today, of course, such a view would be defined as being 'Zenophobic' by the world and near heresy by the visible church. TRUTH MATTERS! grin And it is in that truth that God's people are sanctified and who are being conformed to the image of Christ. (Jh 17:17; Rom 8:29)

Oh yeh, I almost forgot. Here's a link to Part 2 of Paul Elliott's article: God Deals in Remnants: A Minority Within A Minority


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