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In reply to: The Bible tells us that Jesus would send forth prophets, and says that the Spirit gives the gift of prophecy to some in the church. The Spirit also gives gifts like working of miracles, healing, words of knowledge, and words of wisdom. This is what I see in the Bible. Why is this not considered valid, if it is in the Bible? Jesus said the same thing in His Olivet prophecy (Matthew 23:31-36). And note, please, that Jesus said all those things would come upon His own generation. The "prophets and wise men and scribes (verse 34)" the Jesus would send them, who would be scourged in their synagogues and some killed and crucified (verse 34) was for the purpose of judgement according to verse 35: ...so that upon you may fall the guilt of all righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. Truly I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation (Matt 23:35-36)." Unbelieving Jews were the principle opposing force against the gospel in the early days of the church. The mystery that was being revealed by these "prophets and wise men and scribes" was that the Gentiles were to share in the blessings of Abraham on equal footing with Jews. Both groups were to have equal dining rights at the Lord's table. These were covenant signs of judgement upon the generation that rejected and murdered God's Son. And they came upon that generation and not the next. You claim: And why did they (revelations) continue after Revelation was written in church history? Why do some early church documents refer to these things occuring? What early church documents? There are records of some supernatural events, but not records of God speaking new revelations beyond the writings of the Apostles. I'm writing as an ex-charismatic, by the way, so please understand that I'm not unfamiliar with claims of modern "revelations" from God to modern-day "prophets" and seers, etc. I was once an apologist for present-day "new" revelations myself. But one thing that always troubled me was that if some "prophecy" utterred in my charismatic church was really a direct word from God, why was it not written down and published in the church newsletter so everyone could cut it out and paste in their Bible? Why do these prophecies and interpreted messeges in tongues qualify to be treated just like the Bible? Were they "lesser" words from God? Anyway, I decided to look into what the Bible said about the true nature of tongues and interpretation and prophecy, word of knowledge and word of wisdom, etc. Especially tongues, though, because we charismatics made such a big deal of tongues and I was becoming a little suspicious about how "shandola-bashiah" repeated a couple of dozen times could translate into full sentences expressing multiple ideas when translated into King James English. The results of that research are posted right here at the Highway under "the Charismatic Movement." In His grace, Robin
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Is all revelation found in scripture
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GOTCHYA!
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When was Revelation Written?
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