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Pilgrim said:

1. It has already been shown from Scripture that no angel left heaven "willingly", never mind "in order to do this wickedness". There is simply no biblical evidence to support this fanciful claim. The angels who rebelled against God were cast out.

You misinterpret Jude 6. apoleipo (left not "cast out" : arche domain, not "sinless position".

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2. Now, dear brother, how is it that you have written more than once that you take no mind to what those "giants in the faith" who have gone before us have written on this subject YET here you are mentioning contemporary writers who embrace this view as if that gives credence to it? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/scratch1.gif" alt="" />

First, yes, I consider you a brother in the Lord for this is not contrary to our fundamental beliefs. I mentioned these people just to demonstrate that there are others who think the same as I. As for those giants in the faith, I don't have time to go through all "their" misinterpretations. Let it be known, I don't care WHO is expounding scripture, it isn't based on knowledge or ability, for if that is the case, give yourself a round of applause, because you are then able to unravel God's mysteries with your fleshly, defiled, human mind. I believe it is God who reveals as it is spoken in scripture, so education, human ability do not mean a thing when it comes to scriptural truths. The men in the past have shown much of God's will, but do you really believe God showed them everything of His workings and mysteries? I doubt it.

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3. As has been shown myriad times in this thread, sound biblical exegesis refutes this novel idea, yet that obviously isn't enough for you. Eisogesis is far more attractive and is the basis for this view. It is truly sad. [Linked Image]

Nothing in this thread is convincing, same old arguments that have been showed to be just as questionable as you think they are sure. The sad thing is, that people get so convinced of a view that they aren't about to let go. Why do you think the Arminians are so hard to convince about God's sovereignty? Beware of being unteachable. I have tried to accept Seth line, but it just doesn't fit. As I mentioned, during the time of Christ, everyone thought they HAD the answers, and how wrong they were. It doesn't matter if you agree or not, but be careful stating your view with certainty when it may in fact be heretical. I only said I'm convinced of it, but never said it with absolute certainty. I remain teachable.

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Matt. 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. KJV