Hey Mike,<br> My answer to both questions would be yes. By definition the created is finite compared to the Creator. But, of course without salvation we do have an end. I guess, the real question would be, "To what extent is man finite?" <br><br> To go along with what I was saying earlier, man can only know of the existance of God outside of scripture. It is only through scripture the man can come to a saving knowledge of Him. As far as the extent to which we are finite, are we talking about pre/post fall condition? Is that what your term "conditional immortallity" was refering to? If man had never sinned, would we be immortal? <br><br> Perhaps, the only thing scripturally that may dispute that would be Revelation 13:8 (KJV) "And all that dwell on the earth shall worship him (the beast), whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world." This would make me think that if the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world, then sin would seem to be unavoidable, lest Jesus be slain for nothing. <br><br> I have seen another way this passage is translated, though. Here it is in the NASB "All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain." I have no idea which is correct, but I do know that this way it raises pretty much the same point. If some have been predestined to salvation before the foundation of the world (which scripture clearly testifies to), then the reprobate had been destined to damnation before sin was in the world. <br><br> So theoretically I would say, 'yes', if man had never sinned it is possible that he would have never died. But realistically I don't think that would have ever happened according to what scripture says about God's design before we were created.<br><br>In Him,<br>Chris
